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Posted on May 16, 2012, 7:20:24 AM PDT
Sixties Fan says:
Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Ettinger - Israel and the obstacle of world opinion
Yoram Ettinger..
Israel Hayom..
16 May '12..

World opinion should not deter Israel from enhancing Jewish roots and national security, expanding the Jewish presence in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights, and pre-empting Palestinian and Hezbollah terrorism.

Adverse world opinion and global pressure have always been an integral part of the Jewish people and the Jewish state. The aim of this global campaign has been to eliminate the unique national, religious, cultural and territorial features of the Jewish people, including Jewish sovereignty over the land of Israel.

The bolstering of Jewish sovereignty generates negative world opinion (except in the U.S. and a few other countries), but enhances respect toward a conviction-driven Jewish state. On the other hand, when Jewish sovereignty retreats and Israel submits to world opinion, it just reflects weakness. Israel will never satisfy world opinion, and such action only further fuels global pressure, which erodes respect toward the Jewish state.

World opinion toward the Jewish state was not improved by Israel's 1957 and 1982 mega-retreats from the Sinai Peninsula (almost three times as large as Israel), the transfer of 100% of Gaza and 45% of Judea and Samaria to the Palestinian Authority, and the 1993 Israeli importation of PLO terrorists to the doorsteps of their intended victims.

However, going against the grain has been a prerequisite for game-changing human endeavors in general, and Jewish initiatives in particular.

Going against the grain has been a Jewish trait since the introduction of Abraham's monotheism. Moreover, a defiant Jewish people has preserved and advanced the Jewish vision and strategic Jewish goals - while contributing uniquely to humanity - in the face of devastation, decimation, exiles, pogroms, expulsions, public burning, discrimination, forceful conversion and the Holocaust. If they had allowed themselves to be intimidated by world opinion, the Jewish people would have been doomed to oblivion.

Theodore Herzl, the father of modern-day political Zionism, was considered a messianic wishful thinker at the end of the 19th century. He was initially resented by most Jews, ridiculed by demographers and dismissed by world opinion.

Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion's 1948 decision to declare the independence of the Jewish state was opposed by most of his party members, as well as by the U.S. Secretary of State Gen. George Marshall, who was then the most charismatic U.S. leader; the State Department's bureaucracy; U.S. Defense Secretary James Forestall; the CIA and The New York Times. Israel's founding father had to overcome a U.S. military embargo while the British supplied arms to the Arabs. Following the War of Independence, he ignored global bullying, refused to consider a return to the pre-war lines and the internationalization of Jerusalem, declared the Israel-controlled parts of Jerusalem the capital of the Jewish state and did not end the "occupation of the Negev."

Prime Minister Levi Eshkol pre-empted Egypt and Syria, in 1967, in spite of adverse world opinion and specific warnings from the U.S. administration. Eshkol also defied Washington, and the world, by reuniting Jerusalem and launching construction projects in Jerusalem across the 1949 cease-fire (Green) line.

Prime Minister Golda Meir dared to provoke world opinion, laying the foundations for four major neighborhoods in Jerusalem across the Green Line which today house some 150,000 residents.

Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir were criticized and condemned by the world for their claim that Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights and the whole of Jerusalem were indivisble parts of the Jewish state. However, their slackened global popularity was matched by deep respect for their principle-driven policies, which made them worthy allies in the face of mutual threats, triggering a significant enhancement of U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation. Begin's 1981 destruction of Iraq's nuclear reactor - which spared the U.S. a nuclear confrontation in 1991 - was carried out despite U.S.-led global condemnation, depicting Israel as a lawless entity.

Contemporary Israeli leaders benefit from dramatically improved circumstances, compared with the meager resources at the disposal of their predecessors, demographically (more than 6 million Jews live in Israel), economically (the best ever economic indicators), technologically (the site of 400 high-tech global giants), industrially (unprecedented trade relations), militarily (expanded cooperation with Western military forces) and scientifically (a leading space power). Moreover, the world is increasingly exposed to the anti-Western explosive Arab and Palestinian street, the deeply and violently fragmented Arab world, the rising threat of Islamic terrorism in the U.S., Latin America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia, the intensifying demographic Islamic threat in Europe, and Iran's nuclearization. Recent polls document bolstered support of Israel in the U.S. (71% favorability according to Gallup, compared with 19% support of the Palestinians).

History and current global reality reaffirm that Israel is facing a unique window of opportunity to enhance its strategic posture. Israeli leaders should not sacrifice such an opportunity upon the altar of world opinion. Leaders who fluctuate policy in order to appease world opinion are leaders exercise followership and not leadership. Such moves jeopardize the survival of their own people.

Link: http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=1896

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 7:31:20 AM PDT
William B says:
I second!

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 7:33:33 AM PDT
William B says:
L. King:

RE: "An interesting little tidbit..."

Thanks, noted.

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L. King says:
Enderlin's POV appears to be left wing quasi academic, not anti-Jew per se. I doubt that money is an issue for him - he's pretty safe in his upper middle class job at France 2, and members of the bourgeoisie left are rarely affected by personal changes in income level.

No, Enderlin took a stance in support of a perceived underdog and has staked his reputation on it. He would find it cognitively difficult to back down. IMHO this is how Pallywood propaganda gets laundered with a sheen of respectability. Call it "paliwashing".

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 7:38:27 AM PDT
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L. King says:
I'm a great fan of Rehov's work. He does an incredible job of getting to the truth. More people should see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5esRDIdKJB4

Posted on May 16, 2012, 7:42:14 AM PDT
Sixties Fan says:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155851

Talmud in Arabic Being Sold in Jordan

A group of researchers and translators in Jordan have translated the Talmud into Arabic. Translated version sold in local book fairs.


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By Arutz Sheva Staff
First Publish: 5/16/2012, 6:46 AM
Talmud in Arabic
National Library's Facebook page

The National Library in Jerusalem introduced this week a new purchase: The Babylonian Talmud translated into Arabic.

Behind this project is the Middle East Studies Center in Jordan, which in recent months published 20 volumes of the Babylonian Talmud translated into Arabic.

These books are currently being sold in Jordanian markets, particularly at local book fairs. The National Library recently acquired a copy of the translated Talmud and it is now on public display in the library.

The project was published following work which lasted for about six years. The hard work was done by a group of 95 researchers, translators and language editors, including translators from Hebrew to Arabic and from Aramaic into Arabic. The Middle East Studies Center's headquarters are located in Amman, where researchers and translators worked on the translation and preparation of the Talmud in Arabic.

According to the editors of the project, this is a first and historic precedent. "They wanted to show the academic world the principles of Jewish thought," according to the National Library.

The Talmud, which comprises both the Mishnah (Oral Law) and the Gemara, is one of the Jewish people's most sacred and central texts, forming a coded record of ancient rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history, and written mostly in Aramaic. The Babylonian Talmud was recorded in about the 6th century while the Jerusalem Talmud was recorded some 200 years earlier.

There are several English translations of the monumental work. Last year, for the first time in history, the Italian government began collaborating with the Italian Jewish community on a special project to translate the Talmud into the Italian language.

In South Korea, Talmud study is a mandatory part of the country's school curriculum.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 8:08:34 AM PDT
William B says:
60's:

RE: For my part, I refused to have a child killed so as to make me famous and to advance the Palestinian cause.

I was thinking of this as I was doing chores a moment ago and it, in turn reminded me of a story that I heard some time ago which illustrated perfectly the depravity of some of these Arabs. I have no source for this as it was passed along to me by an individual who is widely traveled in the Mideast and has never told me anything that I could discern as tainted. He spoke once of his travels to the Cities of the Dead in Cairo and his observations of the many beggar children there. A number of these children were missing limbs which made them all the more pitiable and thus more likely to succeed in their trade. It also came to the attention of this traveler as he was not just a casual tourist that it was the parents of these children who had purposely had their children's limbs amputated to make them better the objects of sympathy. Now, in all fairness, in the darkest circumstances people will succumb to all manner of devilish devices to survive; but, to purposely have your child maimed for such a crass purpose? If you add this to Rehov's story and the known incidents of Arab children used as human shields what are we to think of these people?

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 8:10:10 AM PDT
William B says:
RE: Call it "paliwashing".

Thanks, I will.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 8:20:36 AM PDT
But at least they are honest about it. :)

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In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 8:25:54 AM PDT
Yes, this one seems to be some sort of Balaamite, blathering about the Children of Israel never having been worthy of the covenant.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 9:07:43 AM PDT
Susanna says:
"Turkey has just accused Israel of flying robot birds to spy on them. It seems that the Israelis are placing cameras within the skulls of the birds to check on what the Turks are doing. Birds, rats, squirrels, any animal these Arabs can think of to stick it to Jews. I think a few bird brains are behind the accusations. "

Don't forget Mossad's team of sharks.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 9:11:31 AM PDT
Sixties Fan says:
Lets not forget the vulture which was supposed to be a spy for Israel. :)

Posted on May 16, 2012, 9:18:34 AM PDT
Lois says:
Boy, those Israelis are awesome!!!! Sure wouldn't want to mess with such an advanced society!!!

Posted on May 16, 2012, 9:34:23 AM PDT
Sixties Fan says:
Am Israel !

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155885

Haifa U Blocks Subversive Arab Event

By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 5/16/2012, 6:38 PM
"Nakba Day" protest in eastern Jerusalem
Israel news photo: Flash 90

Haifa University announced Wednesday that it would not allow an event marking "Nakba Day" to take place on its campus. The early afternoon announcement came just a few hours before the event was to start.

The university said in a statement that while the event had originally been touted as "a cultural event," it turned out Tuesday that the intention was to mark "Nakba Day" - as Arab enemies of Israel call the anniversary of the founding of the Jewish state. "In these circumstances, the university decided not to allow the event to take place."

There was concern that the event would spiral into mayhem after a similar event in Tel Aviv University was successfully disrupted by Zionist protesters Monday. A confrontation between Zionists on one side, and Arabs and leftists on the other, also took place in Hebrew University Tuesday.

Following Monday's event, Education Minister Gideon Saar told Arutz Sheva that the law makes it possible to cancel such events since they border on incitement against the state of Israel. "There is no reason for Israeli campuses to be territory for exhibitions of hatred against Israel, as occurs on European campuses," he argued.

Last year, Arabs in Haifa University invited terror-supporting MK Hanin Zoabi to speak on campus for Nakba Day. That event, too, was eventually cancelled by the university at the last moment.

Posted on May 16, 2012, 9:42:02 AM PDT
Sixties Fan says:
Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Rennert - NYT spotlights Palestinian 'naqba,' ignores Jewish 'naqba' in Arab lands
Leo Rennert..
American Thinker..
15 May '12..

Each year, Palestinians commemorate with raucous protests their "Naqba" -- a presumed "catastrophe" due to the founding of Israel. One people celebrates its anniversary, the other hangs on to its sense of victimhood.

In its May 15 edition, the New York Times, takes due note of the Palestinian "Naqba," which occurred this year just as Palestinian prisoners ended a nearly-month-long hunger strike that sought more favorable treatment while in Israeli detention. Here's how Jerusalem correspondent Isabel Kershner puts it:

"The two sides had seemed intent on reaching a deal before Tuesday, when the Palestinians commemorate the "naqba," or catastrophe, on the anniversary of Israel's declaration of independence in 1948. The war that followed the declaration led to the flight or expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and the day is traditionally observed with protest marches." ("Palestinians In Jails End Hunger Strike - Agreement to Improve Israeli Prisons Is Signed" page A4.)

There are two gross historical distortions in this single paragraph.

For starters, Kershner fails to point out that "the war that followed" was a coordinated war of aggression by half a dozen Arab armies with the stated intent of wiping the nascent Jewish state off the map. Israeli leaders had pledged in their declaration of independence that Arab residents would receive equal political and civil rights. But the Arab world instead went to war. Had it complied with the UN decision to divide British mandatory Palestine into two states -- one Jewish and the other Arab -- there never need have been a Palestinian "naqba." Somehow, Kershner is not interested in actual history; instead she takes pains to disguise Arab responsibility for the "naqba."

Furthermore, Kershner's rewrite of actual history fails to take note that there were two "naqbas" in 1948 -- not just a Palestinian one.

Starting with the 1947 UN partition plan and then Israel's birth in May, 1948, about 850,000 Jews who had roots in Arab lands dating back a couple of thousand years were summarily persecuted, deprived of all legal rights, stripped of their property and forced to flee from Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and other parts of the Arab world. Their synagogues were torched and many were lynched by bloodthirsty Arab neighbors. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands was greater than the number of Palestinian refugees.

A fair reading of history demands that equal attention be paid to this Jewish "naqba." But fairness is in short supply in the New York Times. There's also no indication in Kershner's piece about the different outcomes of these two "naqbas."

The Arab world kept displaced Arab residents from Israel as refugees to use them as pawns in their pursuit of Israel's demise to this very day. In contrast, most of the hundreds of thousands of Jews who managed to flee from Arab lands ended up in Israel where they were integrated into the state's economic, political and social life. Such integration remains out of the question on the Arab side of the ledger.

But all this real history is censored by the Times' uncritical acceptance of an invented Palestinian narrative designed to block any realistic chance of a peace agreement. Kershner's article is a double affront to actual history. And in a most fundamental way, it disserves Palestinians by keeping them locked in a phony, mythical history that thwarts their national aspirations.

Link: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/ny_times_spotlights_palestinian_naqba_ignores_jewish_naqba_in_arab_lands.html

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In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 9:58:59 AM PDT
William B says:
Bookish:

RE: Nonsense, you are a Christian fundamentalist and right wing nut who betrays basic truth. Your sect is well known to be bent on world domination and routinely ignores the precepts of Jesus.

And you sir/madam are a Muslim crank who, if your co-religionists weren't such bloodthirsty thugs, would be rightfully laughed out of civil discourse. The currency of Islam is the warm blood of innocents and the only reason any educated or enlightened person takes any note of your incessant babbling is that your atavistic institutions have again invaded civilization's precincts. Now, your vile and contemptible attacks on my beliefs are fed only by your absurd and inane concepts of Christianity and your vulgar interpretations of the "...precepts of Jesus..." as pilfered and vandalized by a demonstrable lunatic. They impress no one. They convince no one. They serve only to demonstrate that you are a well known disreputable liar who has no concept of truth, rationality, honesty, dignity or conscience. The only thing you have are lies from the father of lies.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 10:00:08 AM PDT
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Weaver says:
I'm curious why you would use the labels "pro-Israel" and "anti-Israel." What do you mean by them. You don't mean that anyone who would criticize Israel or a particular Israeli policy are "Anti-Israel," do you? I would define anti-Israel as someone who believes that there should be no Israel. Certainly, there are many people in the world who would fit this definition. But I'm concerned that discussion about Israel has increasingly become polarized to the degree that any criticism of Israel is called either anti-semitic (if you aren't a Jew) or self-hating (if you are).

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 10:11:24 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Hello Christopher Weaver,

I'm neither Jewish nor Israeli. I've participated in these discussions for several years now.

I'm considered "pro-Israeli" because I do not challenge their "right to exist" nor do I expect Jews to be doormats for people who seem to hate them.

Welcome to the discussion. I hope this is helpful to you.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 10:13:49 AM PDT
William B says:
Clearly the mark of a Muslim is not that he/she may be circumcised but that they all seem to be lobotomized. How many times are you going to spam us with the same link genius? It was garbage the first time and it's still garbage the tenth.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 10:16:08 AM PDT
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Diva says:
I would like to invite you to shed reasonable light on the fact that discussions involving Jews and Israel on these forums outnumber any others
10-1 and are by far the most active in sheer volume.
Could you elaborate what the possible reason is??

There are 197 countries in the World, some being in gross violation of Human Rights, others slaughtering their own people, yet others
busy developing weapons of mass destruction. None of this seems to matter.
The only Country of any consequence to the World is a tiny little postage stamp thriving democracy, struggling to survive in the face of giant odds.
The reason I said that is an attempt at reversed psychology. If you can explain the above strange phenomena, I could try and address your concerns.
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