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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 11:28:32 PM PDT
William B says:
You lack humor, no-ish.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 11:30:25 PM PDT
William B says:
I'm beginning to think that you've been "...down there on the waterfront..." with considerably more than your slip up, there no-ish.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 11:41:34 PM PDT
William B says:
I remember that there was a cottage industry in brewing up leftwing lies about President Reagan because that's all left could muster besides the ghoulish visage of "Tip" O'Neill.

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 1:53:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 2:06:06 AM PDT
William B says:
This would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. Where are all those leftist loons who were quivering with paroxysms of joy over the so-called Arab Spring? Their leftist "feelings" had already placed little Arab Tomas Jeffersons at the head of all of these newly minted Arab democracies. Where are all of these clairvoyant lefties now?

Libya elections: Muslim Brotherhood set to lead government

Libya's top politicians have hatched a deal that would see the Muslim Brotherhood lead the government after the country's first free elections in almost five decades takes place on Saturday.

8:30PM BST 05 Jul 2012
While the elections for a 200-member National Congress is unlikely to grant a majority to any one faction, the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist allies are confident they can join their counterparts in Tunisia and Egypt at the helm of leadership.

Negotiations between the Muslim Brotherhood and a secular-based political movement led by former interim prime minister Mahmoud Jibril have focused on forming a post-election government as soon as the result is known.

An adviser to Mr Jibril said the former prime minister was likely to take the post of figurehead president with Mustafa Abu Shagour, currently interim deputy prime minister of the Muslim Brotherhood, taking the prime minister's slot as head of government.

The Muslim Brotherhood would dominate the ministries.

In the run-up to the elections, Libya's interim government has struggled to maintain law and order.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9379022/Libya-elections-Muslim-Brotherhood-set-to-lead-government.html

Libya elections: Muslim Brotherhood set to lead government

Libya's top politicians have hatched a deal that would see the Muslim Brotherhood lead the government after the country's first free elections in almost five decades takes place on Saturday.

8:30PM BST 05 Jul 2012
While the elections for a 200-member National Congress is unlikely to grant a majority to any one faction, the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist allies are confident they can join their counterparts in Tunisia and Egypt at the helm of leadership.

Negotiations between the Muslim Brotherhood and a secular-based political movement led by former interim prime minister Mahmoud Jibril have focused on forming a post-election government as soon as the result is known.

An adviser to Mr Jibril said the former prime minister was likely to take the post of figurehead president with Mustafa Abu Shagour, currently interim deputy prime minister of the Muslim Brotherhood, taking the prime minister's slot as head of government.

The Muslim Brotherhood would dominate the ministries.

In the run-up to the elections, Libya's interim government has struggled to maintain law and order.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9379022/Libya-elections-Muslim-Brotherhood-set-to-lead-government.html

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 2:03:48 AM PDT
TN says:
Another Spring Revolution goes to pot. Muslims are very consistent in the kind of choice they make, i.e. according to Mahomet's desire, as if all the dead of the Libyan revolution would have sacrificed their lives for the glory of the such elected government officials/parliament.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 4:25:59 AM PDT
Aetius says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:00:31 AM PDT
Aetius says:
Bookish says:
\\Without the support of the British, he never would gave gained the office of Grand Mufti nor of the Supreme Muslim Council.\\

I'm no expert, but I thought that his family and another were traditional competitors for the post. It seems from his actions that he was not expert in strategy or Islamic law, so maybe you are entirely correct.
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The al-Husseini clan held various political posts. including Mufti of Jerusalem on and off from the 1860s, mainly because the al-Husseini clan had sided with the Ottomans against Muhammad Ali, governor of Egypt who rebelled, whereas most other Palestinians clans had supported Muhammad Ali. When elections were held for a new Mufti, Amin al-Husseini came in fourth in the voting. But because the rivals of the al-Husseini clan, the Nashashibis already held the Mayorship of Jerusalem, the British picked Amin al-Husseini anyway as Mufti of Jerusalem to maintain a "balance of power" in Jerusalem. Amin was the al-Husseini candidate by virtue of being the eldest surviving son of the last leader of the clan (after Amin's half brother Kamil died). Nothing to real do with his skill or "achievements" up to that point.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:39:37 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 5:51:42 AM PDT
Aetius says:
William B says:
RE: Pointing out that AL-Husseinni wasn't as popular among Palestinians as you claimed is throwing in my lot with him? Are you really this thick?

Yes and an emphatic NO, respectively. "Pointing out that AL-Husseinni wasn't as popular among Palestinians as you claimed..." is an inane diversion that only an adolescent apologist for evil could conjure up
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Your rather long on rhetoric and rather short of specific evidence to back your view point. You are aware that Amin actually came in fourth in elections for Mufti yes? Or that it was the British that appointed him yes? Or that his clan was of a differing Islamic sect to that of most Palestinians or that he clan had sided with the Ottomans when most Palestinian clans had revolted along with Muhammad Ali right? Or that none of the other Palestinian clans wanted him back as Mufti when he returned after the war?

"If your analytical skills weren't so underdeveloped you would have figured out that what al-Huseinni pulled off was the accepted, traditional, everyday Arab method of ascendance"

Appointment by a British Christian to an Islamic religious position? Why yes that's exactly what Arabs were liking in the 1920s, European Christians to come and appoint their religious leaders..

"Now, concerning your "lot": In short, whether you're a Muslim apologist plant, a simple dupe, a leftist sop, an atheist contrarian or some mumbling concatenation of all or part of them, "

Ah yes more bombastic rhetoric and personal insults instead of any concrete discussion of the facts.

"That, after all, is what all of this is about - to whitewash the "Palestinian" Arab collective of their sins against humanity."

Entire ethnic groups have collective sins now? That sounds rather collective reasoning rather then individualistic. Sure you're a friend to Western Civilization?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:57:40 AM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
And marginalizing minorities and killing Jews are part of our highest aspirations.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:58:16 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 6:13:14 AM PDT
Granny ;-D says:
All I can say to that is .... So many Muslim/Islamic/Sharia flaws & Horrible pedophile & murder precedents..... so little time!

Edited to clarify

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 6:26:13 AM PDT
Aetius says:
J. Schwarz says:
And marginalizing minorities and killing Jews are part of our highest aspirations.
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How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
"Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

Guess you reap what you sow..

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 6:35:36 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 6:37:37 AM PDT
Granny ;-D says:
EMAIL to ME::

From:Bill Warner (bw@politicalislam.com)
Sent: Thu 7/05/12 2:49 PM
To: Me
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Political Sharia

Islam is introducing Sharia into America under the guise of religious freedom. We are told that Sharia is religious law and, therefore, we should not worry about it. This is, at best, a half-truth.

To understand the Sharia, you MUST understand that it is completely based on the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed (his words and actions that are the model for being a perfect Muslim). So, the Sharia is nothing more than a legal/social codification for every society to march in lock-step doing life's smallest details modeled after what the Koran says and Mohammed said and did.

The biggest misunderstanding here is that Islam is simply a religion. If Islam were only a religion, it would not even exist today. And it would certainly not be feared. The story of Mohammed and the success of his mission is well known. The summary of it is in Islam's growth curve:

NOTE::
Chart did not come through but it is flat prettymuch then it goes up at 45 degree angle.

Mohammed's career had two stages, religious and political. As a religious leader he only converted about 150 Arabs into Muslims in his first 13 years in Mecca. When he went to Medina, he became a politician and a jihadist. Politics and jihad made Mohammed a success. When he died, every Arab was a Muslim. If he had stayed with religion, when he died there would have only be a few hundred Muslims and Islam would have collapsed. It was politics that made Mohammed a success and it was politics that made Islam a success for 1400 years.

Islam's historical success has been due to jihad and Sharia law. Jihad overthrew Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and Hindu governments and the Sharia was put into place. The inferior political position of Christians and all Kafirs under Islamic Sharia means their slow annihilation. Turkey, Middle East and Africa are but a few examples of this.

The secret of Islam is that the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed are primarily devoted to politics, not religion. The Kafir is a political class under Sharia rule and much of Islamic doctrine is about the Kafir. See the next chart:

NOTE:: Chart didn't come through but this is the info in it:::
Amount of Text Devoted to Kafir
Trilogy total |------|------|------|60%
- Hadith ... |------|----37%
--- Sira . . . |------|------|------|-----|- 81%
-- Koran . .. |------|------|------|-64%
. . . . . . . . . |------|------|------|------|------|
% of Text . 0% 20% . 40% 60% 80% 100%

Since it is based on Koran, Sira and Hadith, the Sharia must be political in nature. And indeed the Sharia is filled with both the religious law and political law. Hence, there is a religious Sharia and a political Sharia. Every Sharia rule that impacts the Kafir is political, not religious.

Note: strictly speaking--politics, culture, law and religion are unified in Islam and Sharia. However, such a unified vision gets muddled into: Islam is a religion, Sharia law is religious and therefore, Sharia trumps our politics. As long as Islam and Sharia are treated only by their religious aspect, we lose. The easiest way to do this is to separate out the political facet.

Here is a simple example that illustrates the difference between religious Sharia and political Sharia: in Europe and New York, Muslims commandeer the streets and sidewalks to pray. This is tolerated under "freedom of religion". It is true that the prayer is religious, but commandeering the sidewalks and streets is strictly a political act. Kafirs are told to submit and not use the public thoroughfare. Each and every Muslim should be ticketed for blocking traffic, just as you and I would be if we blocked traffic.

Islam is based on two principles: dominance over all Kafirs and dualism. The Sharia fully incorporates both principles and as a result, political Sharia rules violate universal human rights.

From the Reliance of the Traveller, A Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law:

Apostasy (leaving Islam):
o5.4 There is no expiation [punishment] for killing someone who has left Islam

Wife beating:
m10.12 ... may hit her, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not bruise her, break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow. It is unlawful to strike another's face.

Jihad:
09.0 Jihad means war against Kafirs to establish Islam's Sharia law.

Inferior civil rights for Kafirs:
o11.1 A formal contract (dhimma) is made with Christians and Jews, they then become dhimmis.

There is absolutely nothing good for the Kafir in political Sharia. It denigrates and makes us submit to a profoundly foreign rule. Political Sharia violates human rights and our Constitution.

Absolutely no implementation of any aspect of political Sharia should be allowed in our government or organizations. All citizens must know the fundamental principles of political Sharia and resist its progress in every way.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 6:56:01 AM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Don't give me that propaganda BS. Hamas are a bunch of thugs responsible for their own depravity. There are no excuses for them in spite of your desire to blame Jews. What is it about Muslim and Arab apologists that always manage to blame the victims of the criminals and deviants. What one Jew says does not make it correct. Hamas is responsible for themselves, nobody else. I love the attempt to whitewash Hamas and blame Jews for it.

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 7:04:28 AM PDT
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Jawwaad says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:19:16 AM PDT
William B says:
That's a nice article. I've referenced it several times to counter the very mistaken notion that you're now trying to spread. Israel didn't create Hamas and it didn't finance or arm Hamas:

"Mr. Harari, the military intelligence officer, says this and other warnings were ignored. But, he says, the reason for this was neglect, not a desire to fortify the Islamists: "Israel never financed Hamas. Israel never armed Hamas."

Roni Shaked, a former officer of Shin Bet, Israel's internal security service, and author of a book on Hamas, says Sheikh Yassin and his followers had a long-term perspective whose dangers were not understood at the time. "They worked slowly, slowly, step by step according to the Muslim Brotherhood plan."

So, Tardis-boy, what you're doing is indulging in an anti-Jew myth. Tsk, tsk, tsk! The real problem in a nutshell is that no PM has ever been seriously observant. None of them have a clue about how to identify much less manage a religious problem. I heard Tzipi Livney once say something to the effect that only political problems were solvable so she didn't even want to hear about Islam this or Islam that. Far too many Israelis are stuck on stupid in the loony-left secular fringe and make one horrendous mistake after another dealing with these maniac Muslim Arabs. Even the Begin and Netanyahu types who are infinitely more thoughtful and stable miss the religious dimensions of the conflict. Why should anyone be surprised that they sensed no danger in Hamas?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:24:17 AM PDT
Domenico says:
How is it when Mohammed himself tells you directly to be a bigot ?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:29:32 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 8:29:49 AM PDT
Dom,
Go look at the website Jawwaad pulled that article from. He has a lot of gall criticizing the websites bob pulls from. I took a quick look at afgen.com and it is a black racist fan site. Nothing on it but stuff supporting black racism and Islamic supremacy. I challenged Jawwaad on his post and he didn't have the guts to even adress the criticism. It's easy to see where he is coming from now.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:35:50 AM PDT
Jawwaad says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:37:06 AM PDT
Domenico says:
There are many articles from where yours came. Here's a Mohammed one;

http://afgen.com/bible_codes4.html

As always... the readers decide :))

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 8:38:47 AM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
My question is how can you deal with the Arabs/Muslims on a basis of trust when their founder abused the trust by waiting until he could take advantage of the people he made a peace treaty with? To the Arabs, peace is just a temporary stopping point until they feel they can overwhelm the people they made the treaty with who are not expecting any attacks. So in effect this belief puts the Arabs/Muslims outside the norms of rational men and behavior. When you make an agreement with your enemies you expect them to live up to their part of the bargain, and not to wait until you are not paying attention so they can take advantage of you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:40:16 AM PDT
William B says:
RE: "You are aware that Amin..."

Blah, blah, blah! "You are aware that Amin..." despite your really foolish attempts to marginalize his stature was (at least) the singular most important and influential Palestinian Arab in the first half of the 20th century. I can cite a dozen authors to confirm that point of view including Edward Said.

RE: "...bombastic rhetoric and personal insults..."

Show that it's wrong. Every syllable is right on the money or you wouldn't be leaning on the abuse button and making more panic calls to Amazon.

RE: Entire ethnic groups have collective sins now?

Yes! The Germans loved their little Adolph and they ALL paid the price. The Iranians made their choice and Islamofascists are being elected in droves throughout the Arab world. Who do you think is going suffer the consequences when these barbarians get too bold?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:43:18 AM PDT
Domenico says:
What's the difference ? A BIG diffrence.

Moahmmed claimed to do God's will !

1. He slaughtered on God's command - DIRECT command.
2. All of you, Muslims, MUST have him as a model to emulate

Is there any way out of that ? Nope. It's what will bring Islam's reduction into nothingness

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:45:08 AM PDT
Domenico says:
And none of them create NO_GO Zones.
None of them fight AGAINST the welcoming country... but the Muslims.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:49:00 AM PDT
Domenico says:
Bob ? Bob "would like to see black people hanging..." ?

Why are you lying my man? It's NOTHING like you said in that post.
I just looked.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 8:50:11 AM PDT
for someone who can't see my posts any more you sure answered that one fast enough. How about that racist website, afgen.com, you cut and pasted from, do you support those views?
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