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The Wars of the Roses

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 2, 2012 11:08:20 AM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*It does not really contain the level of assessment I desire. What I am really looking for is a fairly even handed treatment rather than the bs lionizing which can sometimes happen

I think David Hume wrote a hstory of England which might be what you are looking for...

From Wikipedia:
As historian of EnglandIn 1754 to 1762 Hume published the History of England, a 6-volume work of immense sweep, which extends, says its subtitle, "From the Invasion of Julius Caesar to the Revolution in 1688". Inspired by Voltaire's sense of the breadth of history, Hume widened the focus of history, away from merely Kings, Parliaments, and armies, to literature and science as well. He argued that the quest for liberty was the highest standard for judging the past, and concluded that after considerable fluctuation, England at the time of his writing had achieved "the most entire system of liberty, that was ever known amongst mankind."[32]

Hume's coverage of the political upheavals of the 17th century relied in large part on the Earl of Clarendon's History of the Rebellion and Civil Wars in England (1646-69). Generally Hume took a moderate Royalist position and thought revolution was unnecessary. Hume's indeed was considered a Tory history, and emphasized religious differences more than constitutional issues. He was anti-Presbyterian, anti-Puritan, anti-Whig, and pro-monarchy. Historians have debated whether Hume posited a universal unchanging human nature, or allowed for evolution and development.[33]

Posted on Jul 2, 2012 8:36:37 PM PDT
Hoo-Zen!! says:
What about Burke?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 2, 2012 8:41:53 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
And still doesn't. Humans are hardwired for war, apparently.

Posted on Jul 2, 2012 8:51:59 PM PDT
Hoo-Zen!! says:
Fallen human nature certainly can't rise above differences among lower goods. A return to natural law might help but many knickers get in many knots even over this proposition. Its hopeless.
see Isaiah.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2012 6:36:08 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 3, 2012 12:40:35 PM PDT
S. Kessler wrote: "Humans are hardwired for war, apparently."

General Fructuoso Rivera, a President of Uruguay, said:

"La guerra es la verdadera vida del hombre."

In the preface of the 1872 edition of his "Memoirs," Giuseppe Garibaldi quoted this observation.

<<In the preface of the book, dated 3 July 1872, he quoted, a little ashamedly, the words of his old ally and adversary, General Rivera of Montevideo: 'War is the true life of man.'>> [Jasper Ridley, "Garibaldi," Viking Press, New York (1976) p. 624] Garibaldi

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2012 7:06:56 AM PDT
R. Largess says:
SK - From the biological standpoint you are absolutely right. Throughout infinite kingdoms throughout history, the struggle over the succession is a process of asserting and proving the various claimants' fitness to rule. Actually, I think our presidential elections are very much "mock civil wars"; we get to release all our aggressions and group hostilities, but in a somewhat ritualized way, short of actually killing each other (sort of like the Spanish bull fight in this sense). But we're not content to accept a decision without fighting things out, I fear - though perhaps it's an improvement on the old system. Still, Hoo's reference to "fallen human nature" seems most pertinent.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 12:40:00 AM PDT
L. Boyles says:
I'm goin' surfin'.. Have you decided which book you want to start on? Just curious. I just started reading 'The Fears of Henry IV' and find it very interesting.

Posted on Aug 26, 2012 12:46:38 AM PDT
L. Boyles says:
I really would like to know what book the 'author' of this thread decided on. Just curious. Blueskies: I really enjoyed your comments.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 27, 2012 12:14:49 PM PDT
You know sad though it is, I have not yet decided. I have 5 other books in line first. They are sitting on my desk at this moment screaming don't buy another book until you have read me.


In reply to an earlier post on Aug 27, 2012 7:57:23 PM PDT
Aluf B. says:

Let us know which of the books did have a voice that you heard as important.
This is a very neglected period, though, of course, there are books.


Posted on Aug 29, 2012 12:45:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 29, 2012 12:49:07 PM PDT
Paegan2246 says:
The most in depth book I've read concerning the War of the Roses was written by Thomas B. Costains. There are 4 history books in his Plantagenets series:
The Plantagenets series (also known as The Pageant of England):

The Conquering Family (1949)
The Magnificent Century (1951)
The Three Edwards (1958)
The Last Plantagenets (1962)

The 4th book - The Last Plantagenets - deals with Richard III and the usual suspects at he was the last of the Plantagenets, of course. They are not written from a "Tudor" point of view nor a "Lancaster/York". Costains tries to separate the fact from fiction. These books are not cheap. I paid $132 for the 4 of them several years back. But check your library- they should be able to hook you up.

They are also available at Audible.com


In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2012 11:30:26 PM PDT
L. Boyles says:
Would dearly love to read the Costain books but they're way out of my price range.

Posted on Oct 24, 2012 4:26:43 PM PDT
Sandih29687 says:
I think the Costain books are still available at the library.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 26, 2013 5:12:32 PM PST
Sandy says:
See the new good book" WINTER KING"

Posted on Feb 1, 2013 2:42:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 1, 2013 2:45:23 PM PST
Mikeber says:
1) "The Last Plantagenets" is currently available new for $34, used only $23.
2) Costain specialized in writing historical novels, but wasn't a scholar or researcher.
3) With the discovery of Richard III grave, someone may write a new book.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 1, 2013 3:18:02 PM PST


Posted on Feb 4, 2013 6:04:24 AM PST
Bill King says:
Ditto on the Alison Weirs book.

For entertainment, Sharon Kay Penman. She also has historical fiction on Richard Lionheart, John (who succeeded Richard), , the Welch rebellion against John's son, The Simon de Monfort rebellion against the grandson of John (many still consider Simon a Saint, he was even more important rebel than Braveheart). I think I got the relatives correct. (I wish she would do a book on all the Kings from 1066 to the glorious revolution (Mary and William).

Posted on Feb 4, 2013 12:16:05 PM PST
Mikeber says:

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