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Posted on May 13, 2012, 10:39:52 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
"If the other party puts you on hold on the phone, then try not to listen to the music as much as possible. Beware of actively enjoying the music, and seek the forgiveness of Allaah, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


////Listening to music when one is put on hold

Q: My Muslim brother asks: "At my job site the disbelievers play music over the intercom. I want to know whether I am responsible for this. Insha Allah!"

A: "Praise be to Allaah.

If you have the choice and are able to remove this evil, then do so. If the matter is beyond your control, then you will not be held accountable, so long as you do not deliberately listen and enjoy that, because music is haraam (see Question #5011). The same applies to singing, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge..." [Luqmaan 31:6]

Ibn Mas'ood said: This refers to singing. Similar views were narrated from others among the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them all) and the Salaf. Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) differentiated between listening for the purpose of enjoyment enjoyment, and unintentional hearing where one has no choice in the matter. In the latter case there is no blame or sin involved, and Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. If the other party puts you on hold on the phone, then try not to listen to the music as much as possible. Beware of actively enjoying the music, and seek the forgiveness of Allaah, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid////

Posted on May 13, 2012, 10:42:24 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
Does anyone know what Chameleon is trying to prove? He isn't making sense. Same old lizard-boy. Always trying to prove something. Always has his lizard undies in a bunch.

Posted on May 13, 2012, 10:46:45 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
Hmmmm. So many attacks here that lizard-undies and Boorish didn't mention...hmmmmmmm...I wonder why.....it probably just slipped their minds


Posted on May 13, 2012, 10:47:51 PM PDT
Chameleon_X says:
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William B says:

Chameleon says forget the tens of thousands of incidents of violence done each year by Muslims in the name of Islam. Chameleon says forget 9/11, forget 3/11 and forget 7/7. Chameleon says forget Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah. Chameleon says forget the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian Ayatollahs. Chameleon says forget the centuries of civilizational destruction brought on by colonialist expansionist imperialistic Muslim hordes. Chameleon says forget the Battle of Tours, forget the Battle of Vienna and forget the Battle of Lepanto. Chameleon says forget dhimmitude, slavery and the rampant oppression of women. In other words Chameleon says forget your lying eyes. I think that the best thing to say to Chameleon is "Forget you!"

Posted on May 13, 2012, 10:50:29 PM PDT
bob397103 says:

////Iranian Fatwa Against Anti-Censoring Tools Censored

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is not a fan of the internet. Under his leadership the nation has embarked on an attempt to destroy the internet as the rest of the world knows it. currently the country employs filtering tools not unlike those in China, but significantly more extreme.

Some industrious citizens who weren't happy about this created tools to bypass these restrictions. the Supreme Commander wasn't happy about this, so he issued a fatwa against the programs, outlawing their use. In what can only be described as a wonderfully ironic event, though, it is unavailable to those within the country.

Because Iran's insane internet filters filtered it out.

The tools that Iran employs are based on keywords. A site about pet supplies, for example, probably won't be filtered. But add in a few words like "democracy," freedom," etc. and suddenly that site becomes a problem for the people. It gets filtered.

The fatwa was stuffed with troublesome keywords. To a piece of software looking for troublesome sites, well, it was a big, gigantic red flag. Within 30 hours of the fatwa going live on the internet it was banned for its content.

As humorous as this is, it is more than a little frightening. The people trying to limit the internet, trying to control it so that it is "safe" for the people to use, have no clue how the technology works. Doubtless the software that they are using has a white list. All filtering software I am aware of has that functionality, just in case a site gets banned accidentally. They didn't even think to put a state website as an exemption to their filtering rules so that their anti-censoring fatwa wouldn't be banned.

That, my friends, is more than a little scary. It makes you wonder what they will try next.////

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 10:52:39 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
>>How many U.S. Civilians have been killed by Muslim terrorists since 9/11, almost 11 YEARS later?<<

Besides the ones at the Fort Hood massacre? Why the big emphasis on U.S. citizens? What's you big point? What is it you're trying to prove?

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 10:56:39 PM PDT
Qur'an 66:9:
O Prophet! make war on the infidels AND HYPOCRITES, and deal rigorously with them.
Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!
Isn't this a self-destructive?

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 10:56:40 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:01:55 PM PDT
William B says:
Back to Billy are we? Was it something I said?

Posted on May 13, 2012, 11:02:21 PM PDT
bob397103 says:

It won't be long before the shooting starts. See video there.

////Hordes of Muslim Illegals Invading Greece from Turkey
Sunday, 13 May 2012

Everything in this report is consistent with the view that Turkey is deliberately facilitating this illegal immigrant invasion to further the islamisation of Europe. The Turkish government has signed visa-free travel treaties with virtually every Islam-dominated country.

Then they use their inaction over these illegal immigrants as an extortion tool to get the EU to grant visa-free travel to Turks! And Europe's leaders are so weak they give in to this!

There is a clear solution to this problem. Whenever the system picks up an illegal immigrant who has made his way into Europe from Turkey, an invoice should be created for the costs of housing and processing him. Interest should be added and the invoice should be continually updated as new costs arise. Until Turkey takes the immigrant back, the costs continue mounting. If the Turkish government refuses to pay, the EU should impose import duties on all imports from Turkey and recover the money in that way. Within a few years of introducing a system like this, I estimate that the problem of illegal immigration from Turkey (80% of all illegal immigration into the EU) would largely have been solved. The problem only exists because the Turkish government tacitly condones it. But Europe's leaders are paralysed by their own psychological weakness.////

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:03:09 PM PDT
TN says:
<<Ones (sic) intellect can only percieve (sic) up to it's (sic) limitations. >>

I wholly concur LOL.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:05:25 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
You're making no sense, shaman-boy. You're trying to compare some boobs in the TSA to...what? My post is about imams with terrorist connections.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:10:10 PM PDT
bob397103 says:

////The Myth:

Islam is completely incompatible with acts of terrorism. It is against Islam to kill innocent people.

The Truth:

Islam does prohibit killing innocent people. Unfortunately, you don't qualify.

Even though many Muslims earnestly believe that their religion prohibits the killing of innocent people by acts of terrorism, the truth is certainly more complicated. This is why Muslims on both sides of the terror debate accuse the other of hijacking Islam while insisting that they are the true believers. It is also why organizations that commit horrible atrocities in the name of Allah, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, receive a significant amount of moral and financial support from the mainstream.

In fact, the definition of "terrorism" in Islam is ambiguous at best. And the definition of an "innocent person" in Islam isn't something that Muslim apologists advertise when they say that such persons aren't to be harmed. The reason for this is that anyone who rejects Muhammad is not considered to be innocent according to Islamic teaching.

Consider that a great deal of the Quran is devoted to describing the horrible punishment that awaits those who refuse to become Muslim. How can Muslims say that the subjects of such divine wrath are innocent persons?

The most protected and respected of all non-Muslims are the dhimma, the "people of the book." Specifically , these would be Jews and Christians who agree to Islamic rule and pay the jizya (tribute to Muslims). Yet, the word "dhimmi" is derived from an Arabic root that means "guilt" or "blame." ["...the dhimmi parent and sister words mean both 'to blame' as well as safeguards that can be extended to protect the blameworthy" Amitav Ghosh, "In an Antique Land"].

So, if even the dhimma have a measure of guilt attached to their status (by virtue of having rejected Allah's full truth), how can non-Muslims who oppose Islamic rule or refuse to pay the jizya be considered "innocent?"

Even within the Islamic community there is a category of Muslims who are also said to bear guilt - greater even than the average non-believer. These are the hypocrites, or "Munafiqin," whom Muhammad referred to in the most derogatory terms. A hypocrite is considered to be a Muslim in name only. They are distinguished either by an unwillingness to wage holy war or by an intention to corrupt the community of believers (by befriending Christians or Jews, for example).

The Muslim terrorists who frequently kill Muslims in the name of Allah usually do so believing that their victims are Munafiqin or kafir (unbelievers). This is a part of Sharia known as takfir, in which a Muslim can be declared an apostate and then executed for their role in hindering the expansion of Islamic authority. (A true Muslim would go to paradise anyway, in which case he or she could hardly be expected to nurse a grudge amidst the orgy of sex and wine).

In addition to the murky definition of innocence, there is also the problem of distinguishing terrorism from holy war. Islamic terrorists rarely refer to themselves as terrorists, but usually say that they are holy warriors (Mujahideen, Shahid, or Fedayeen). They consider their acts to be a form of Jihad.

Holy war is something that Muhammad commanded in the Quran and Hadith. In Sura 9:29, he establishes the principle that unbelievers should be fought until they either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic subjugation. This is confirmed in the Hadith by both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari.

In many places, the prophet of Islam says that Jihad is the ideal path for a Muslim, and that believers should "fight in the way of Allah." There are dozens of open-ended passages in the Quran that exhort killing and fighting - far more than there are of peace and tolerance. It is somewhat naïve to think that their inclusion in this "eternal discourse between God and Man" was of historical value only and not intended to be relevant to present-day believers, particularly when there is little to nothing within the text to distinguish them in such fashion.

Combine the Quran's exhortation to holy war with the ambiguity of innocence and a monumental problem develops that cannot be patched over with mere semantics. Not only is there a deep tolerance for violence in Islam, but also a sharp disagreement and lack of clarity over the conditions that justify this violence - and just whom the targets may be.

Even many of those Muslims who claim to be against terrorism still support the "insurgency" in Iraq, for example, and often entertain the allegation that there is a broader "war against Islam." Although American troops in Iraq are trying to protect innocent life and help the country rebuild, Muslims around the world and in the West believe that it is legitimate for true believers to try and kill them.

Enjoying the sanction of holy war, the Mujahid thus reasons that it is permissible to attack fellow Iraqis - the ones helping the Americans - even if they are part of a democratically-elected Iraqi government. These non-combatants and combatants alike are believed to be the "Munafiqin" or "Takfir" assisting the enemy "Crusaders."

Although we use Iraq as an example here, this is the same rationale that is ultimately behind all Islamic terror, from the Philippines to Thailand. Wherever the Muslim religion is a minority, there are always radicals who believe that violence is justified in bringing Islam to dominance - just as Muhammad taught by example in Mecca and other places, such as the land of al-Harith.

And what of the so-called "innocents" who suffer from the bombings and shootings? Even in Muhammad's time they were unavoidable. The much-touted hadith in which Muhammad forbade the killing of women, for example, also indicates that there were such casualties in his attacks on other tribes.

If there is any doubt that he believed that the forbidden is sometimes necessary, it should be put to rest by an incident in which Muhammad's men warned him that a planned night raid against an enemy camp would mean that women and children would be killed. He merely replied "they are of them," meaning the men.

This is the slippery slope opened by the sanction of holy war. What starts out as the perception of a noble cause of self-defense against a supposed threat gradually devolves into a "let Allah sort them out" campaign through a series of logical steps that are ultimately justified by the sublime goal of Islamic rule.

Islam is not intended to co-exist as an equal with other religions. It is to be the dominant religion with Sharia as the supreme law. Islamic rule is to be extended to the ends of the earth and resistance is to be dealt with by any means necessary.

Apologists in the West often shrug off the Quran's many verses of violence by saying that they are relevant only in a "time of war."

To this, Islamic terrorists would agree. They are at war.////

Posted on May 13, 2012, 11:12:07 PM PDT
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Posted on May 13, 2012, 11:18:31 PM PDT
William B says:
Fifty Terror Plots Foiled Since 9/11: The Homegrown Threat and the Long War on Terrorism


That doesn't include Major Nidal Malik Hasan or Sergeant Hasan Akbar.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:19:19 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
>>Thye only thing in common is that it's agreed there isn't evidence to support gods<<

Just because YOU don't have any evidence, doesn't mean that no one ever had experience to prove the existence of God.

>>even more so quite embarrasing to have a god that behaves in such ways that are in total contridiction of being perfect<<

That's extremely prejudiced. Certain religions do portray God as vengeful, etc... But not all do. I think you're proving that you're a narrow-minded bigot more than anything else.

>>in particalr<<


>>Please tell me how it is that I'm not a rational person for noticing the obvious.<<

Just attacking religion(s) can never prove there is no God. An obvious fact.

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William B says:
LOL Now we enter the SPAM phase of the war on truth.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:21:26 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
>>It is a slaughter of hate today, and I love it!!!<<

We already know you're strange, chameleon-boy.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:26:55 PM PDT
Jesus did not speak of Mohammad coming, you friggin' dolt, except here:

Matthew 7:15-20 15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Acts 20:29-32 29 "I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears."
32 "Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified."

2 Peter 2:1-3 2 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them -bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012, 11:31:25 PM PDT
William B says:

RE: It doesn't make sense

Whew! It sure doesn't.
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