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John M. Lane says:
Hello Bookish,

What "threats of violence?"

You seem to be mixing me up with you.

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Can you please tell me how fruitcake became an insult?


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Turkish lawyer says Israel offered $6 million to Mavi Marmara victims
According to Reuters, attorney Ramazan Ariturk says Israel made a proposal to him through a third-country intermediary over a month ago, to be followed by official letter of "regret" * Ariturk says offer is unsatisfactory * Mark Regev, spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, declines to comment.

Eli Leon, news agencies and Israel Hayom Staff

The Mavi Marmara docked at a port in Turkey. | Photo credit: AP

Israel has allegedly offered to pay $6 million to victims of the 2010 raid on the Mavi Marmara ship bound for Gaza, a Turkish lawyer told Reuters on Thursday.

However, a senior Israeli official who declined to be named said that Israel, having indicated last year that it was prepared to indemnify victims without accepting blame, had not renewed its offer.

Turkey and Israel fell out badly in 2010 when Israeli commandos stormed the Mavi Marmara to enforce a naval blockade of the Gaza Strip and killed nine Turks in clashes with activists.

Ramazan Ariturk, one of several lawyers representing 465 victims and victims' relatives, told Reuters that the Israeli government had made a proposal to him through an intermediary foreign ambassador in Ankara just over one month ago.

He said the money would have been paid to a Jewish foundation in Turkey for distribution, and been followed by a statement of "regret" for the raid by the Israeli government.

"I told the ambassador I did not think the offer was appropriate or moral and also discussed the issue with the victims and their friends and they also stated that they could not accept this," Ariturk said.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry agreed with his decision, saying Israel should have contacted it directly, he said.

Ariturk declined to disclose the nationality of the ambassador or reveal the name of the Jewish foundation to which the payment would have been made.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry could not be reached for immediate comment, while Mark Regev, spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, declined to comment.

Turkey expelled Israel's ambassador and froze all military cooperation with its former ally after a U.N. report into the incident last September largely exonerated the Jewish state.

Turkey has demanded a formal apology from Israel alongside compensation for victims and the families of the dead, but Netanyahu has only voiced "regret."

On Wednesday an Istanbul prosecutor submitted an indictment seeking life sentences for four former Israeli military commanders in connection with the raid, including the Israel Defense Forces chief of staff at the time, Gabi Ashkenazi.

The court in Istanbul received the proposed indictment, and will have 15 days to decide whether to accept it, the Anadolu Agency said.

The Turkish prosecutor proposed charging Ashkenazi, along with the heads of the Israeli navy, air force and military intelligence. They face nine consecutive life terms in prison for "inciting to kill monstrously, and by torturing," the Turkish news agency said.

The Turkish daily Sabah reported on Wednesday that indictments would be issued against former Navy Commander Vice Admiral (res.) Eliezer Marom, former Military Intelligence head Maj. Gen. (res.) Amos Yadlin and former Air Force Intelligence head Brig. Gen. Avishai Levy.

The indictments will reportedly include a demand for 10 life sentences for each officer for their involvement in the deaths of the nine Turkish citizens and the critical injury of a tenth citizen, who was left comatose.

Prosecutors also suggested similar charges be pressed against several unidentified soldiers who raided the ship in a separate file, the agency added.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Wednesday that Israel would only comment on the indictment after it had been filed and approved.

The U.N. report on the raid last September was meant to encourage a rapprochement but ultimately deepened the rift when it concluded Israel had used unreasonable force but that its blockade of Gaza was legal.

Israel said its marines had been attacked by activists wielding metal bars, clubs and knives when they boarded the Mavi Marmara, and had opened fire in self-defense.

It is unlikely Israeli military personnel will be brought before Turkey's judicial system, since Israel does not regard them as criminals, although Prosecutor Mehmet Akif Ekici argued Wednesday that the raid should be considered a crime against Turkish property in international waters.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told state television that the legal process should be seen as an example of "the government's determination to defend the rights of Turkish citizens."

The move comes just a week ahead of the second anniversary of the May 31 raid. The ship had been part of a flotilla sailing toward Gaza to protest Israel's blockade.

Turkey has tried without success to get Israel to apologize for the attack, and to compensate those killed as a condition for normalizing relations. Israel has expressed regret solely for the loss of lives.

The report by Sabah says the prosecutor's findings were passed on to Istanbul's district attorney-general, Turan Colakkadi, who will decide whether or not to submit an indictment to the court.

Turkish officials are aware that an indictment of the former Israeli officers will compound the diplomatic crisis between the two regional powers further.

Recent reports have claimed that the two countries are working quietly to resolve the standoff. Sabah reported this week that Israel returned four of five unmanned aerial vehicles to Turkey, which had been given to Israel for repair and maintenance. The UAVs had remained in Israel after completion of the work due to the diplomatic crisis that erupted in the meantime.

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:17:40 PM PDT
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Rabbis behind controversial book unlikely to be prosecuted

Attorney-General Yehuda Weinstein will likely choose not to file an indictment against four rabbis who wrote a book that appears to permit killing innocent non-Jews in war time * State prosecution says no decision has been made.

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Rabbi Dov Lior at a rally in his honor in June 2011 after his release from detention on suspicion of supporting the controversial book. | Photo credit: Yoav Ari Dudkevitch

Attorney-General Yehuda Weinstein is unlikely to file an indictment against the four rabbis responsible for a book that permits violence against non-Jews, sources familiar with the case say.

Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in Yitzhar have been under police investigation for more than a year following the publication of their book "Torat Hamelech" ("The Way of the King"), which describes Jewish law governing the treatment of gentiles, particularly in times of war. The book describes situations in which innocent gentiles, including children, may be killed.

Kiryat Arba and Hebron Chief Rabbi Dov Lior and the dean of the yeshiva, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg, who wrote "haskamot," rabbinical endorsements, for the book, will most likely be cleared of any wrongdoing as well, the sources said. Rabbinical endorsements are usually written by well-respected figures to elevate the author's standing and vouch for his or her credibility.

Over the past few weeks, state attorneys have held intense discussions to decide whether the book falls within the confines of allowed free speech. "This case is still under review and no final decision has been made yet," a statement from the attorney-general's office said. "When the attorney-general informs us of his decision, we will make it public."

The decision to launch a police inquiry over the language of the book caused tempers to flare, which only intensified when the police arrested Lior for failing to show up for questioning. Both Weinstein and State Prosecutor Moshe Lador approved the police's request to issue an arrest warrant, but large protests erupted when Lior was arrested after his car was pulled over by at a security checkpoint near his hometown in Judea and Samaria, with some protesters saying the rabbi had been "abducted like a common criminal." Lior was released after the questioning.

In April, the Coalition Against Racism filed a High Court of Justice petition to have the authors of the book and their endorsers prosecuted and to prevent the book's publication and distribution. "The book is singularly focused on when it is permitted to kill gentiles," wrote the organization in a press release last month. "This book is inundated with highly racist content that incites to violence against Arabs and other minorities in Israel, which is a form of sedition."

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:25:49 PM PDT
Report: Israel's treatment of asylum seekers lacking
US State Department's Human Rights Practices report for 2011 criticizes government mechanism as discriminatory; slams ministers' use of term 'infiltrators,' fostering of link between refugees and terror, crime
Omri Efraim
Published: 05.24.12, 22:50 / Israel News

A United States State Department report reviewing the global situation of refugees and asylum seekers in 2011 describes Israel's treatment of African asylum seekers as "lacking."

The report, titled "Human Rights Practices for 2011," was released on Thursday. It deals with a series of criteria pertaining to asylum cases, such as legal status and the providing of shelter, employment and healthcare; and is based on data provided by NGOs and the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR).

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The report says that while Israel's laws "provide for the granting of temporary asylum and the government has established a system for providing temporary protection for most asylum seekers, there were complaints about the system's accessibility and reports of discrimination."

The current laws, the report added, "Allow the Ministry of Interior to reject applications without appeal even at the registration stage, and exclude 'enemy nationals' from receiving asylum. The regulations fail to establish an independent appeal process."

Asylum seekers in Ashdod (Photo: Eliad Levy)

UNHCR data quoted by the State Department indicated that in 2011, 4,603 new asylum applications were filed; the government rejected 3,692 and approved one.

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The report further criticized the use of the term "infiltrators" by State officials: "Government officials often negatively referred to asylum seekers as 'infiltrators.'

"According to NGOs, officials periodically characterized asylum seekers as directly associated with rises in crime, disease, and terrorism."

The report also mentions an interview Interior Minister Eli Yishai gave Army Radio in December 2011, in which he said: "I will safeguard the Jewish majority of the state, and I ensure that the last of the Sudanese, and the Eritreans, and all of the infiltrators, to the last of them, will return to their countries."

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While "recognized refugees receive social services, including access to the national healthcare system," the report noted that the government does not provide asylum seekers with public social benefits such as health insurance.

The report does, however, mention that in 2011 Israel granted temporary protection to refugees, primarily to Eritrean and Sudanese asylum seekers, and at times to asylum seekers from the Democratic Republic of Congo, Ivory Coast, and Somalia.

Physicians for Human Rights commented on the report's findings, saying that "Sans proper protection and in preventing access to basic services like healthcare and equal opportunity-employment, Israel has become an ugly example for the treatment of asylum seekers.

"Statements like those made by Minister Yishai, which are quoted in the report, only go to demonstrate how busy the Israeli government is with siccing various groups against each other, instead of formulating responsible policies," the statement said.

"We remind the prime minister and the government that they are responsible. The prime minister must make the brave decision to adopt a policy of social residency, which will provide asylum seekers with temporary protection and a dignified existence, pending the decision on their cases.",7340,L-4234066,00.html

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:30:43 PM PDT
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L. King says:
I guess collateral deaths are permissible in war.

The problem with first glance sensationalism is that it does not always bear up. Aren't you glad that your initial impressions appear to be incorrect? I am. And Jeff, who reads Hebrew and is familiar with religious argumentation, set the record straight long ago.

You might consider that this might help you with your own post traumatic stress disorder.

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:34:14 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2012 1:42:10 PM PDT
L. King says:
Too bad the Palestinians responded this by violence:

40 days after the massacre a stolen car carrying a 175 kg bomb driven by Rashid Zakarna exploded in front of an [Egged] passenger bus as passengers were boarding, killing eight and wounding 52. Hamas acknowledged responsibility.

This was followed by an attack by an Islamic Jihad sniper in Ashdod, killing one Israeli and wounding 4.

On April 13 a suicide bomber boarded a bus at Hadera and exploded a bomb, killing himself and 5 other people, wounding another 30.

In the case of Goldstein, a close friend of his was killed in a Palestinian sniper attack. And six years before a group of Jews were attacked as they emerged from prayer at the same location, the Cave of the Patriarch. You never mention that either.

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:42:38 PM PDT
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Posted on May 25, 2012 1:47:30 PM PDT
Yitzhak Shapira
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Yitzhak Shapira is an Israeli rabbi who in 2009 published a book (The King's Torah) in which he writes that it is permissible for Jews to kill non-Jews (including children) who threaten Israel.[1][2] The conditions under which this permission applies include presence of the assumption that a child will grow up to become an enemy of the Jewish people,[3] to put pressure on enemy leaders, or if they are "in the way".[4] The book was distributed by Yeshivat HaRaayon HaYehudi in Jerusalem, which adheres to the ideas of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane.[5]
The book contains an endorsement by Rabbi Zalman Nechemia Goldberg.[5] Ofer Pines, a member of the Israeli Knesset, called on the attorney general to open a criminal investigation against Shapira on account of the book.[6]
Shapira was arrested under suspicion of incitement in 2006 after having advocated expelling or killing all male Palestinians above the age of 13.[7] In 2008 he signed a "manifesto" in support of Israelis suspected of beating two Arab youths during that year's Holocaust Remembrance Day.[8] In January 2010, Shapira was arrested for his "alleged involvement in the torching of a Palestinian mosque in the village of Yasuf."[9][10] He denied any involvement, and was released due to lack of evidence.[11][12]
In October 2010, he urged Israel Defense Forces soldiers to use Palestinian civilians as human shields, claiming that it was against "true Jewish values" for a soldier to endanger his life for the sake of enemy soldiers or civilians.[13]
Shapira lives in the West Bank Israeli settlement Yitzhar[3] and is the head of the Dorshei Yihudcha yeshiva there.[14] According to Haaretz columnist Akiva Eldar, Shapira's yeshiva receives substantial funding from the Israeli government.[15] His intellectual influences include Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak Hacohen Kook[16] and Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburg.[5]

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:51:09 PM PDT
Friday, May 25 2012|+972blog
Why IDF soldiers stand idly by when settlers attack Palestinians
By Dana Golan
Last Saturday, a B'Tselem video camera captured an incident of settler violence that began with rocks being thrown at Palestinians near the village of Asira al-Qibliya in the outskirts of Nablus, and ended with live shots fired by the settlers and a wounded Palestinian youth.
Anyone who saw the video could easily make out the IDF soldiers standing next to the settlers, doing nothing to stop them. Those watching from the sidelines may have been surprised by the useless stance of the soldiers. But anyone who understands the reality in the Occupied Territories well knows that that this is just another example of the long-entrenched paradigm that constitutes the basis of IDF activity on the ground: We are not here to protect Palestinians. Not when the settlers burn their olive trees or throw rocks at them. And not even when settlers shoot at them.
The most extreme outcome of this paradigm was the massacre at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in 1994. When Baruch Goldstein, a settler from Kiryat Arba, entered the Tomb, there were no cameras to record the incident and no soldiers (or Border Police officers) to stand in opposition. But even if they had been there, it's reasonable to assume that they wouldn't have been the ones to stop the firing. The reason for this, as published in the report by the Shamgar Committee charged with investigating the incident, is that the rules of engagement given to Border Police officers serving there at the time forbade them from directing any fire of any kind at a Jewish settler. In testimony given by one of the officers to the Committee, the explicit command was described: "Arms may not be used against any Jewish settler in Hebron, along with any crowd dispersal method, even if said settler is endangering my own life or the life of an Arab near him." Another commander from a Border Police company in Hebron testified that the rules regarding disturbance of the peace by a Jew were, "to take shelter so as not to be injured, to wait until his weapon jams or the magazine runs out, and to then try to overpower him through other means." Baruch Goldstein was stopped when his weapon jammed; the result was 29 Palestinians killed and dozens injured.
After the Shamgar Committee investigation, the rules of engagement changed. The command to wait for a weapons jam was replaced with the direction to "instruct the shooter or person endangering life through other means to cease his actions, or to try to overpower him immediately, while using reasonable force." In the case that the shooter is not deterred by the soldiers' requests to cease fire, they are required, according to the IDF instructions, to carry out something similar to the "procedure for detaining a suspect": shots in the air, shots towards the legs, and only then, shots to neutralize the danger.
This is how it is on paper. In reality, the soldier on the ground receives oral commands that preserve the order to do nothing in instances of Israeli fire towards Palestinians, and in instances of less severe violence, "to serve as a buffer." Soldiers on the ground are well-trained to take action when a Palestinian attacks, but not when he is the victim of settler violence. Most of the testimonies given to Breaking the Silence don't relate to the commands given in the instance of an Israeli shooting at a Palestinian because the perception is that the IDF is in the Occupied Territories in order to protect the settlers, and this is the basis for all routine IDF activity. You don't shoot at the ones you were sent to protect.
Perhaps its because I served in Hebron, or perhaps because I've been exposed to many soldier testimonies that describe incidents of settler violence towards Palestinians - but I cannot understand the Israeli public's amazement surrounding the video from Saturday. After nearly 45 years of occupation, even those Israelis who never served in the Territories should already know that this is what life looks like in the "backyard" of our own State. This is the reality created by constant discrimination and the enforcement of two separate law regimes. The soldiers who just stood there should not be the targets of disgust for their unfit behavior. It is us, the civilians at home, who continue to send them there to enforce this discriminatory occupation, who should be looking in the mirror and asking ourselves how we let this reality develop and continue.
First Lieutenant (Res.) Dana Golan is the Executive Director of Breaking the Silence. She served in the Border Police in Hebron in 2001.

Posted on May 25, 2012 1:54:32 PM PDT
American Zionist responses to Tel Aviv riots- largely indifferent, but some outrage
by Philip Weiss on May 25, 2012 16
The Anti Defamation League calls for calm and for government action in wake of attacks on African refugees. The statement includes some racism of its own:

While we recognize the complexity involved in properly addressing this issue, and sympathize with Israeli citizens whose personal security has been compromised by the lawlessness and violence of some migrants, we are disturbed by inflammatory public statements made by certain Israeli officials, some of which has veered into racism. These statements are counterproductive and only serve to further inflame tensions.

But in "Police distort crime date, inciting violence against refugees," Sigal Rozen at +972 quotes police statistics showing a low crime rate among the migrants:

Real police data, presented in a meeting held by the Knesset Committee on Foreign Workers on March 19, indicate that the crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood at 2.24 percent in 2011 (1,223 criminal cases out of a total of 54,497 foreigners).

The 2011 data on Israeli crime has not yet been published, but according to police data reported to the Knesset, the crime rate among the general population in Israel stood at 4.99 percent in 2010....

the general crime rate in Israel is more than double that of Africans in Israel.

Scant mention by Jeffrey Goldberg of the attacks; he diminishes the episode and leaves out the official encouragement of the riots:

Then came the disturbing news that in a poor neighborhood of Tel Aviv, Sudanese immigrants were set upon by Israeli hooligans. 'Fascism' might be a strong word, and of course Israel is judged by a double-standard (triple-standard, actually), but this is not what should be happening in a country that calls itself a Jewish state.

Great post by liberal Zionist Peter Beinart concludes with some implicit sympathy for the delegitimizers of Israel. Excerpt:

A reviled, powerless minority discussed in the language of war and disease? Where have my Jewish ears heard that before?

Last night, looking for a little moral outrage, I went to the Anti-Defamation League's website, since they've done good work on anti-immigrant racism in Europe and the United States. Nothing doing. The top stories were on Holocaust denial in Greece, the Rutgers spying case and school bullying. I tried the American Jewish Committee, whose mission is to "advance human rights and democratic values in the United States and around the world." Nada. Their featured stories were about Memorial Day, Iran and black-Jewish cooperation for civil rights (ah, the irony). How about AIPAC, which declares that America and Israel are natural allies because "both nations were founded by refugees seeking political and religious freedom... Both have absorbed waves of immigrants seeking political freedom and economic well-being." Nope. Or the Presidents' Conference, which aims to "enhance the security and dignity of Jews." Sure seems like Jewish dignity could use a little enhancing right now in south Tel Aviv. Zilch.

Oh and this just in (thanks Susie Kneedler), from Jeremy Ben-Ami of J Street. I'm removing his disclaimers to emphasize the positive aspects of his statement:

So, seeing pictures and reading first-hand reports of Wednesday night's riot in which Jews targeted African refugees in Tel Aviv left me shocked and saddened. ... what happened Wednesday is simply inexcusable.... What's most distressing about Wednesday's events is the role played by Members of Israel's Knesset in inciting the crowd to violence. One is a disciple of Meir Kahane. Others are identified with extreme-right views on issues related to Palestinians and Arabs. It's no surprise to see those who peddle hate against one group inciting a crowd to violence against another. This incident is part of a pattern of broader and disturbing actions by these MKs that put Israel's democracy and the rule of law at risk. ....

the test for [all] nations is how they deal with their most extreme fringe. And there is a growing fringe in Israel whose values are out of sync with those of the Jewish community broadly and whose actions are undermining their country's interests.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2012 1:56:19 PM PDT
L. King says:
This appears to be an American issue about mixing Church and State, or in this case Synagogue and State. I can't say that I disagree or agree with the resolution. I came across several other articles from various church denominations. In some cases they were OK with letting one side speak or the other, in other cases extra efforts were made to distance themselves from what might be considered partisanship.

It's only a news article, not an analysis of the issues and the constraints.

I'll add that in my local house of worship I don't recall a candidate ever speaking on their own during an election campaign, however I do recall a candidate bowing out of a previous commitment to address the congregation as an election had been called and he was running for the Liberals.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2012 2:04:22 PM PDT
L. King says:
mondotwit got it wrong.

The police stepped in broke up the riots.

But here's a story both he and the media missed:

A few weeks ago, veteran CBS News correspondent Bob Simon reported on the plight of Christians of the Holy Land who have been leaving the region for many years.

In large part, Simon blamed the Christian exodus on Israel.

But had Simon visited the Christian village of Taybeh in the West Bank, he would have heard "the other side to the story."

This is a village whose population is 100% Christian. It is surrounded by a number of Muslim villages, some of which are extremely hostile.

The number of Christians living in Taybeh is estimated at less than 2,000. Residents say that another 15,000 Taybeh villagers live in the US, Canada and Europe, as well as South America.

Over the past few years, the Christian residents of Taybeh have been living in constant fear of being attacked by their Muslim neighbors.

Such attacks, residents say, are not uncommon. They are more worried about intimidation and violence by Muslims than by Israel's security barrier or a checkpoint. And the reason why many of them are leaving is because they no longer feel safe in a village that is surrounded by thousands of hostile Muslims who relate to Christians as infidels and traitors.

Just last week, scores of Muslim men from surrounding villages, some of the men armed with pistols and clubs, attacked Taybeh.

Fortunately, no one was harmed and no damage was caused to property.

Palestinian Authority policemen who rushed to the village had to shoot into the air to drive back the Muslim attackers and prevent a slaughter.

The attack, residents said, came after a Muslim man tried to force his way into a graduation ceremony at a girls' school in Taybeh.

The man, who had not been invited to the ceremony, complained that Christians had assaulted him. Later that day, he and dozens of other Muslims stormed the village with the purpose of seeking revenge for the "humiliation."

Were it not for the quick intervention of the Palestinian security forces, the attackers would have set fire to a number of houses and vehicles and probably killed or wounded some Christians.

Palestinian government and police officials later demanded that the Christians dispatch a delegation to the nearby Muslim villages to apologize for "insulting" the Muslim man. To avoid further escalation, the heads of Taybeh complied.

Also at the request of the Palestinian government, residents of the village were requested not to talk to the media about the incident.

Even some of the leaders of the Christian community in the West Bank urged the Taybeh residents not to make a big fuss about the incident.

This was not the first time that Taybeh had come under attack. In September 2005, hundreds of Muslim men went on rampage in the village, torching homes and cars, and destroying a statue of the Virgin Mary, after learning that a Muslim woman had been romantically involved with a Christian businessman from the village.

The 30-year-old woman had been killed by her family.

Western journalists based in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv have refused to report about the most recent attack on Taybeh, most probably because the story does not have an "anti-Israel angle."

Like Bob Simon, most Western journalists prefer to see only one side of the story. All they want is to find stories that shed a negative light on Israel.

Simon, by the way, has probably never heard of Taybeh. [Actually he has, he interviewed the priest there, but the crack investigative team at 60 Minutes never looked into this.]

The next time anyone wants to learn about the true problems facing the Christians of the Holy Land, he or she should head to Taybeh and conduct off the record and private interviews with the villagers.

Hisham Jarallah is a journalist based in the West Bank.

Posted on May 25, 2012 6:44:29 PM PDT
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Thanks LAD, more buttons to push. Love that spam. Must have pushed at least 7 negative buttons. Thanks again.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2012 8:17:58 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
You don't even read your own SPAM, do you, Lawrence A. Dickerson?

Of course stopping to read all that nonsense would cut into your posting, I suppose.

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Imagine John.I get paid for this among other things.Life is good

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John M. Lane says:
Are the links dessert after all the SPAM, Lawrence A. Dickerson?

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Name calling?

Perish the thought!
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