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Forgotten men of jazz.

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Posted on Apr 26, 2012, 6:05:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012, 6:08:55 PM PDT
We have one album by Waymon Reed in our collection, "46th and 8th," which is quite good. It seems that this album, recorded in 1977, was his only one as a leader. As Mr. P. Campbell, states, he was married to Sarah Vaughan for a short time, then divorced. He played with Count Basie in the 1970s, which is where I first encountered him. A fine bebop oriented trumpet player who got his start in R&B. He died of cancer in 1983 at the age of 43.

Question: Why would you assume a narcotics problem? Not every jazz musician is a junkie.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012, 6:56:24 PM PDT
peter, good evening, sorry i'm so late to the party but you earlier posted the quartet/trio tre bien from st. louis. as a youngster of 20 i went to hear them every chance i could. they were ensconced in a small club called "the dark side" in the famous/infamous gaslight square. gaslight probably had more music venues in 3 blocks than any city in the country. percy james the heartbeat of quartet tre bien was the percussionist in the 'black' big band i was lucky to play with in the late 80s. he was still a force, had a adoring following but was slowing down from his prime. the trio still gets together on occasion but that wonderful group is a fading memory. next door to their club was the venue that introduced lenny bruce, phyllis diller and many others to a wider audience. the owners were the landesmans who wrote the classic 'spring can hang you up the most'. another club featured an amazing sousaphone player, singleton palmer, who a brief brush with fame. not nice to bring up all these memories of a time that will never be repeated, that time being the proliferation of so many good music venues that a college kid could afford to enter. hench

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012, 8:33:49 PM PDT
re: quartet tre bien - I'm not certain, but I've a recollection: As a wee lad (I'm 50+) I think I saw them on the Sullivan TV show...or was it Carson?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012, 6:39:22 AM PDT
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Thanks for the extra information on Waymon Reed, Susan, especially about the album that he recorded as a leader. And, the correction in the spelling of his name. Sorry about my erroneous conclusion that narcotics may have been involved but he came from an era where narcotics abuse especially amongst the beboppers was prevalent. Somehow, I had an idea that you might have some info on the guy.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012, 6:43:31 AM PDT
Many thanks for your reminiscences regarding your misspent youth and the Trio Tres Bien in St.Lou. Interesting. Hope that all is well with you.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012, 6:52:26 AM PDT
SMF, you might be on to something. my foggy memory has them going to chicago to do a feed to the Today Show. they left after a late show here in st. louis and drove up there and appeared w/ no sleep and it sounded like it. one of the group had a connection to jimmy forrest of 'night train' fame. jimmy was a fine player on tenor sax and is among the almost forgotten men/women of jazz. hench

Posted on Apr 27, 2012, 7:36:02 AM PDT
As far as I'm aware, I've never seen a mention of great tenor saxophone player, Buddy Terry in these threads. He's still alive and playing regularly with the Newark Jazz Elders most Friday nights at The Priory in Market Street. Another nice tenor man, Bill Phipps is in the band. Check him out, brothers. Next time I'm in NYC, hopefully in August, I must get to this gig which features a whole bunch of talented veterans. Google Buddy Terry, Newark Jazz Elders for music and info.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 4:03:46 PM PDT
Another tenor player and fine writer and arranger as well is Dave Pell. Pell was born in New York but like many he went west but long before the mid-fifties Hollywood crowd. Pell was one of the first writers to use those close voicings so popular by the 1950's half-way mark. This was a way to thicken the line and it often gave the impression than there were more instruments than there really was, sort of an optical illusion in sound. Pell's various incarnations of his octet are great examples. He often used studio musicians but Shorty Rogers, Jack Sheldon and Pepper Adams added their voices to many of the Dave Pell Octet's recordings.

It's too bad he didn't write for more bands or he might well have been noted as one of the great arrangers in jazz. He spent a lot of time playing in the studios and writing for film. He's still alive and playing once in a while in the LA area.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 6:07:48 PM PDT
tom, thanks for bringing dave pell to the party. when i first started on tenor he, sam donahue and charlie ventura were my heroes. pell's 'montoona clipper' with les brown is an all time favorite. pell still plays and, on his web page, has many CDs for sale. several are tributes to other great big bands. hench

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 7:03:05 PM PDT
There is some nice Dave Pell stuff on Woofy. Also, many other recordings that fans of Pell might be interested in.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 10:42:33 PM PDT
@hench: I was a "TV baby" that watched LOTS of the "variety" shows of the 60s & 70s...occasionally Sullivan had jazz and so did Carson. I only wished I'd caught Miles Davis (electric era) on Dick Cavett's late-nite talk show!

I do recall PBS was MUCH better for jazz in my childhood...I recall seeing Gary Bartz, Gene Ammons, Gato Barbieri, Gary Burton & Larry Coryell, Ted Curson, Charlie Mingus, and Jerry Steig on assorted PBS shows...I can't recall the show that featured Mingus but I recall Mingus (Chris Albertson interviewing him?) mumbled so much that I think I caught every fourth word or so!

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:47:02 PM PDT
Now that I mentioned him (in another post): What-ever became of Gato Barbieri? He was active in the avant-garde in the 1960s (great recordings with Don Cherry!), his own fiery Latin fusion(s) in the 70s, then went commercial, then...?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012, 8:04:18 AM PDT
susan, thanks for bringing Woofy to my attention. i had never heard of this outfit before and their catalog is filled w/ all my heroes. if i could i'd buy everything they have listed. fontana/whitfield together, whew!! hench

Posted on Apr 30, 2012, 8:55:51 AM PDT
D. Linke says:
Anyone know if Bunky Green is still at it?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012, 9:24:26 AM PDT
DL, wikipedia has him teaching in florida but does not talk of him playing/recording anymore. hench

Posted on Apr 30, 2012, 12:13:28 PM PDT
Bunky is still active when he gets time off from his day job, both playing and recording. He's not exactly a "forgotten" man but like others who the safety of academia, he's slipped below the horizon somewhat.

Posted on Apr 30, 2012, 12:58:17 PM PDT
Woofy Productions looks interesting. I am really interested in the Billy Root LP.

Posted on May 1, 2012, 10:05:04 AM PDT
Pianist, Hal Schaefer, a very neglected figure and unjustly so.

Posted on May 1, 2012, 10:43:03 AM PDT
ruffsouth says:
Touched by Law Da Producer / jazz

Posted on May 1, 2012, 11:34:13 AM PDT
Everette Brown Jnr. was a drummer who played a lot with Horace Tapscott. Like many other Californian musicians, Tapscott included, unjustly neglected and presumeably not known at all by members of this forum otherwise his talent would have been given some recognition by now.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 1:00:42 PM PDT
Ever hear of Sidney Bechét? They did in France, named a street after him.

Posted on May 2, 2012, 1:49:31 PM PDT
I assume that you're joking when you mention Bechet as being a "forgotten man". Or, you are fresh to this forum and haven't seen any of the numerous posts about him. He is huge name in jazz (in and out of this forum) even for out and out modernists because of his mega influence on numerous saxophone players from Hodges through to Coltrane and beyond. I didn't know about the street being named after him but I know that there's a bronze statue of him in Paris.

In reply to an earlier post on May 3, 2012, 12:30:00 PM PDT
Dan C. says:
The most underated saxophonist ever. I had seen him perform many times. I have some of his recording's. I heard him play"Will you still be mine","How high the moon","Loverman" On the Boxton (1977) show Sunday morning on channel 7 with the Vuckavich trio. That was the first time I heard him and his solo's were so exciting, I was laughing! (Wigging out!)
Within that year,I was Larry V.'s barber and we'd talk about DoDo Marmarosa, Dex etc. On my radio show KPOO 89.5 fm,in 77'.I played more than once;"mellow Mood" from the "Chicago Session's cd,which I recommend. Ahmad Jamal praised Do Do and felt he was underated.

Posted on May 3, 2012, 12:40:30 PM PDT
Dan C. says:
I saw Ira Sullivan/Red Rodney in person in the early 80's at the Bach Dynamite Society near Half Moon Bay. On my program KPOO 89.5 fm I played "Arrow"with them; Hod O' Brian;piano,the rest of the rhythm section,I don't remember.

Posted on May 3, 2012, 9:38:06 PM PDT
Warren Weise says:
A wonderful baritone saxophonist, now teaching in the New York state university system I believe, is Bruce Johnstone, outstanding former member of Maynard Ferguson's band. Bruce I believe is originally from New Zealand and still plays great baritone even though his day gig is in college-level music education. I'm quite certain he is still musically active on a regional basis. He and tenor player Ferdinand Povel recorded some memorable "duels" while on the Ferguson band. One of my fellow professional musicians in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area was on Maynard's band with Bruce and he tells me how impressed he was with the creativity and vitality of Bruce's playing, night after night. A great sound, fertile imagination and unbridled swing are some of his great assets and make him a joy to listen to.
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