Your Garage Beauty Best Books of the Month STEM nav_sap_plcc_ascpsc Starting at $39.99 Wickedly Prime Handmade Wedding Rustic Decor Book House Cleaning gotpremiere gotpremiere gotpremiere  Echo $129.99 All-New Fire 7, starting at $49.99 Kindle Oasis B06ZY5XM7W Water Sports STEMClubToys17_gno
Customer Discussions > Kindle forum

Scrolling by paragraphs and such


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 1-25 of 48 posts in this discussion
Initial post: Sep 12, 2011, 8:02:31 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Is it possible to scroll by paragraphs or other amounts smaller than a page?

I don't have a real Kindle but I have downloaded the PC software. I have a PDF I purchased elsewhere and I have been using the Adobe PDF reader. I don't like the way it scrolls a page at a time. I won't go into details of that but I tried switching to Kindle. I used Mobipocket to convert, but I do not see a way to get Kiindle to do what I want. As far as I can tell, I can only go a page at a time; I cannot go forward or backward by smaller amounts. The Mobipocket has the same limitation. The Adobe PDF reader does do what I want if I use the mouse wheel but I would prefer to have the option of using the keyboard too but it does not work the same way using the keyboard. The reason the mouse is inconvenient is because of health reasons it is better to avoid using the mouse.

It seems that none of the ereaders have the feature I am looking for, except of course the Adobe PDF reader using the mouse.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011, 8:17:42 PM PDT
No, the only scrolling option on the Kindle is a page at a time.

Posted on Sep 13, 2011, 1:06:09 AM PDT
If you have an actual Amazon book, you can move by location using the 'go to' function, and location is a smaller unit than a page...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 4:36:11 AM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
I have not heard of books published by Amazon. It is bizarre that the software would have that feature for books published by Amazon but not other books.

Posted on Sep 13, 2011, 4:53:58 AM PDT
I did not say published by Amazon, I meant sold at Amazon. And I don't know whether it works or not for other books... I only ever get my books from Amazon ( except for 4 books from baen that I'm too lazy to look at right now )

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 4:56:51 AM PDT
Denis Powell says:
To add to what Miet says, if you convert your pdf to .mobi using Calibre, say, install Kindle for PC and then go to the folder where the .mobi file is located and click on it, it will open in KIndle for PC. You can then increase the font size so that each page has less text. If you increase the font size so that each page is roughly one paragraph, each page turn will be roughly one paragraph. At it's maximum size I get approximately 30 words per page turn, but if I then make the window smaller I can get down to 2 or 3 words per page turn, although that's too few in my opinion.

Would this not achieve what you're trying to do?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 6:10:47 AM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Miet, I have done some reading on the subject. When I said "Mobipocket to convert" I was saying that I converted the PDF to the format that Amazon books are in.

If you are saying that I must use the 'go to' function each time I want to scroll, then that sounds inconvenient and not what I am looking for.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 6:22:18 AM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Denis, I converted the book to prc format. That is what I used Mobipocket to do.

And no, increasing the size of the font would not help. I need to be able to scroll partial pages. We have this technology that can do so much more than a printed book. I want that technology to do more than just show me a book the same as a printed book.

I essentially want what the Adobe PDF reader does when I use the mouse wheel except also with the keyboard. I see no value in page breaks in an electronic reader; I want the electronic reader to show the book in whatever format is most logical for the material without artificial limitations imposed by an attempt to be physical books.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 7:26:31 AM PDT
Denis Powell says:
Sam, what you're asking for is continuous scrolling of say one line at a time. That isn't practical on a Kindle (or any other eReader) as each time the script moved down a line the whole screen would have to be redrawn. Remember that it's not an LCD but an e-ink screen. It would be a huge drain on the battery. My current ebook has 283 pages (paper book equivalent) which will be approximately 600 page turns at my current font size. If I were able to scroll the book at one line each time that would necessitate the screen being redrawn approximately 12,000 times and that may well require the battery be recharged 2 or 3 times before the book is finished.

It's worth mentioning that an eBook doesn't present itself in the same way as a physical book on either the Kindle or Kindle for PC as it's not one complete page per view. It doesn't have page breaks at all, but presents however many words it can get on the screen for a given font size. That works extremely well, but if it's not what you want you'll have to stick to reading on a PC or a Tablet, as scrolling is unlikely to ever be practical on an e-ink screen.

Kindle for PC will turn pages with the mouse wheel or the right left buttons on your keyboard.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 6:53:44 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Then that makes a Kindle highly undesirable. It is a bad design.

Note that I am currently using the Kindle software in a PC, where the hardware limitation you describe does not exist.

Posted on Sep 13, 2011, 8:17:47 PM PDT
R. D. Clark says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 8:36:52 PM PDT
@Sam: IMVHO it is not a bad design at all. I am quite happy scrolling a page at a time, and the advantages of the e-ink screen for my reading far outweigh any need I might feel for line-by-line scrolling. I read paper books a page at a time, and I read that way on my Kindle.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 8:50:51 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Scrolling a page at a time could work very well with novels but I read technical material.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 8:59:38 PM PDT
@Sam: Most of my reading is non-fiction and technical material.

Posted on Sep 13, 2011, 9:24:14 PM PDT
It sounds like you have very specialized reading needs that the vast majority of people don't share. Since you started with a PDF file, have you done any kind of search on the web for other reader software programs that might have the feature you're looking for?

When I'm wanting to do something new on my computer I look to see what sorts of freeware and shareware options are available out there. A lot of the time hobby developers design things for niche applications that large companies don't, because the large companies need to design for the masses.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 11:31:56 PM PDT
Denis Powell says:
Sam, I don't quite understand how anyone could conclude that the Kindle is badly designed just because it doesn't do the one thing that possibly only you want it to. It's like saying that all motor cars are badly designed because you want them to fly. As you don't have a Kindle and the Kindle for PC application doesn't do what you want it to, the only conclusion you can draw from that is that you need a different application. It's been designed to compliment the Kindle and Kindle books and there's no reason why Amazon should spend money developing a free application for someone with such specialist needs as yourself who doesn't even buy the book from them. It wasn't designed as a pdf reader and I doubt if many people would think having to press a key after every line would be a good idea due to the risk of RSI.

I hope you're successful in locating an application that does what you want.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 11:39:41 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
Robin, I asked about Kindle. I intentionally attempted to limit my comments to Kindle. I mentioned other software because it is relevant to the Kindle.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011, 11:44:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 13, 2011, 11:45:00 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2011, 12:02:06 AM PDT
"Robin, I asked about Kindle. I intentionally attempted to limit my comments to Kindle. I mentioned other software because it is relevant to the Kindle."

Yes, I know. And you got the answer that the Kindle and the Kindle apps won't do what you want. So I proffered my suggestion as to where you might possibly find a solution to your specific issue.

Posted on Nov 22, 2011, 9:39:25 AM PST
Jesse Chunn says:
I share the opinion that it is unfortunate that a kindle book cannot scroll, and instead can only "flip" from page to page. There is a reason why practically every other "reader" (pdf, word, excel, web-browser, etc) scrolls rather than "pages". The reason is popular demand and accepted convention. I fully accept the argument that there are battery concerns on certain types of hardware... and suggest that for some of us, that constitutes bad design of the hardware, and absolutely terrible design of the software for the devices that do not have this battery concern.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2012, 8:28:27 PM PDT
I too wish for continuous scrolling. I understand it's not technology feasible on a physical Kindle, which is a shame. And Amazon have decided to make the software on LCD mimic the behavior of a physical Kindle (understandable, but annoying).

This is why I hate the whole concept of e-Readers. The rest of the world is weird. I hope printed books don't go out of existence in my lifetime.

Posted on Oct 24, 2012, 8:35:41 PM PDT
R. D. Clark says:
Interestingly, Apple just introduced vertical scrolling in iBooks. I think it's a harmless option that can be occasionally useful.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2012, 8:48:03 PM PDT
Sam Hobbs says:
I can understand that is only occasionally useful for some. It is a necessity for others.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 1:04:55 PM PST
MojoPen says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 10:49:18 AM PST
Continuous scrolling is useful when you want to have the bottom of one page displayed at the same time as the top of the next, e.g. when a paragraph describes a figure below it. Adobe Reader has this option. It may drain the battery of a Kindle, but it's useful. I ran across this entertaining exchange while trying to find out how to do it.
‹ Previous 1 2 Next ›
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


Recent discussions in the Kindle forum

  Discussion Replies Latest Post
Announcement
Critical Software Update for Kindle E-Readers
0 Mar 23, 2016
Announcement
Welcome to the Kindle Discussion Forum - A Congregation of Kindle Enthusiasts
0 Mar 20, 2015
Multiple accounts on one device. 29 8 minutes ago
Discounted / Price Dropped Kindle eBooks IV 2378 10 minutes ago
Tumblr app not working on kindle fire hd 0 14 minutes ago
kindle fire black screen 315 37 minutes ago
Elephants Three at The Ģrandest Hotel - Part IV 6162 42 minutes ago
Frozen Kindle Paperwhite 115 56 minutes ago
Free Books & Chat July 2017 649 1 hour ago
We're Quirky! There Are Various Critters, Including Tail-less Manx Kittens, Here. We Also Have Hugh Manatee. Bring Your Quilting And Sewing Projects, Your Camera, And Your Instant Pot. So Geese And Tally Ho! 3072 1 hour ago
Thread of Everlasting Ennui™ 78 1 hour ago
Kindle Fire earphones 51 1 hour ago
 

This discussion

Discussion in:  Kindle forum
Participants:  25
Total posts:  48
Initial post:  Sep 12, 2011
Latest post:  Dec 8, 2015

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.
Tracked by 5 customers