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Initial post: Jun 4, 2012 12:20:31 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 12:21:52 AM PDT
droonfang says:
I feel I'm reasonably intelligent, graduated high school and attended one year of college. I've read voraciously for over 50 years. Included in that more recently, while reading and while considering writing myself, have been several books on writing and grammar.

The word 'woken' makes me cringe. When I read "he had just woken up" I want to throw the thing. I want to see awakened.

So...I tried doing some research. This seems to be a problem word for many...wake, that is. And all it's forms and subtle nuances. During my searching, I found this 'page'.

Um, okay, can someone explain this a whole lot better? Many of those examples seem like the same thing. I'm really that stupid?

My personal opinion is this word needs a much shorter leash and serious reining in by the grammar police. And I vote for killing woken and awoken...


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:24:30 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 12:26:59 AM PDT
I can't help with that issue. I just dropped in here to mention that grammar and vocabulary vary greatly from one country to another. 'Loan' used as a verb is regarded as incorrect in traditional Australian grammar, but it seems to be accepted widely here in the forums where the dominant culture is American. And there are plenty of other examples as well. So I wouldn't be too hard on grammar and vocabulary here, but I would be if it were an all-Australian forum. :>)

But does give 'woken' as a past participle of 'wake'.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:36:52 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
and add in the british and/or irish forms of verbs - tenting instead of camping puzzled me when the young woman at a cmpsite asked "Tenting, are you?" in a lilt at a Canadian campground

and "In hospital" kinda grates on me as americans almost always use a the in front of the word unless it's in the form of "In hospitals, visitors are often regulated." John is in the hospital.

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 12:52:58 AM PDT
Vanished says:
The British "I was just sat there minding my own business" grates me.

I think it must be regional because I don't see it as a rule.

I suppose some of my South Africanisms puzzle a few people. I know I had a few Americans surprised when I said that I had *fallen* pregnant ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:57:36 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
yep, that does conjure up a bizarre image, though americans do fall in love

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 1:02:09 AM PDT
Vanished says:
South Africans do fall in love too ;-)

I looked online and I saw that Australians also fall pregnant, so the origins must be British.

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 1:10:50 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
americans get pregnant

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 1:19:58 AM PDT
Vanished says:
When I really thought hard about it I couldn't recall ever hearing or seeing "fallen pregnant" in any US novels or TV.
Get or gotten pregnant does sound familiar.

In South Africa when we say we will do something "just now", it means at our earliest convenience. We also say that we will be somewhere "now-now" when we haven't even left home yet. The word "now" has a whole different meaning here and it is not culture specific.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 1:25:24 AM PDT
BBP says:
LOL. Woken annoys me too. It just doesn't sound right. Personally, I would prefer "He just woke up".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:52:11 AM PDT
Denis Powell says:
I live in a place where the English language was forced on the local inhabitants in Victorian times. As a result the people mixed both words and grammar from each. If a story was set locally I'd expect to read expressions like "In school with me she was" and "Beef I do like but lamb I do rather."

There is a story, often told hereabouts, about two American servicemen, during the war, asking if anyone knew where they could find Maisy Summer. Nobody knew her. Eventually they showed someone the name on a piece of paper. It read "Maes-y-Cwmmer" which is the name of a local village and is pronounced "Mice uh coomer".

"Vive la difference" I say.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 3:11:45 AM PDT
Vanished says:
So it's true, the Welsh do speak like Yoda ;-)

My paternal grandmother was Welsh. I loved the way she spoke.

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 8:47:36 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 8:53:38 AM PDT
droonfang says:
Whoa, I don't know where to start...but on topic, yes, woke up is fine...

But, truly, I LOVE your responses. Became not quite what I intended, but so be it.
Agent 99, "I just sat there minding my own businesss" is something I could hear frequently, right here in the 'boonies', upstate NY, USA ( If I say I'm from NY it seems EVERYONE assumes I mean NYC. It's a big state, really...)
And some 'ladies' anywhere, under the right, er wrong, circumstances could 'fall pregnant'...after tipping a few, perhaps? (Not sure I care for the beloved grandma compared to Yoda... JK)

And I'm used to Britishisms now, I guess...though I certainly notice them. I read voraciously and it only takes me a few pages, without benefit of an author's bio, to usually know where the author is from. Weird...

But there's a very funny story with a Brit term (I guess) that was rather embarrassing for all concerned. My hubby used to work for a State Univ and one semester they had a professor exchange program. Hubby's Dept got a prof from England...and sorry, I don't know where...too bad, because I've since learned there can be a HUGE difference. Sorry but some Brits speak understandable English and the others might as well be speaking Chinese...may I ref Yorkshire?
Anyway, this Prof, Eddie, became good friends with hubby, most especially fascinated that we US country-folk actually eat squirrels. For him, guess it would be like eating a rat would be to me. So they were arranging to go on a hunting trip the mext morning and Eddie innocently said, "OK, I'll come round in the morning and knock you up." He was unnecessarily VERY embarrassed to find out the meaning of that phrase in the US. (Though I would hope hubby could not 'fall pregnant' in any language...)

Then, on a 'ride' to view native whitetail deer, at night with a spotlight, his daughter needed help with something...really after Mom. We simply could NOT understand her, her accent was so bad. It was simple, "Mum, I have to go now." Even repeated when we knew, it was unintelligible to us.

This could wind up a great thread, even if I DON'T learn the nuances of wake...
grrr, he wakened, he was awakened, he woke up, he was awakened when she hit him with a 'woken'...

Thx people
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