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Initial post: Oct 14, 2012, 3:52:56 PM PDT
Josh says:
Hey kindle fans, I am in need of some assistance,

I received my paperwhite October 2nd and have been in love with it, the time to read chapter feature was a welcome addition, since doing times of my insomnia, I will read, and it is helpful knowing how much time I have left if the next chapter, and depending on how tired I feel, if I should start the next chapter, or try to get back to sleep.

My issue is when I started a new book, the feature started to measure the reading time between SECTIONS and not CHAPTERS. now I reconize it Being a new feature, there will undoubtly be bugs that need to be worked out, but was wondering if anyone else had this issue and knew how to resolve it

I will be contacting customer service as well, and if they provide me with a solution I will post it here so if you have the same issue you can resolve it as well
Worst case scenario will probably be waiting on a firmware update, I have alreadly restarted the kindle.

If anyone has a solution, or even a recommendation on how to fix this please comment. At any rate thanks for taking the time to read this. #kindlepaperwhiteocks

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 4:18:25 PM PDT
K.D. says:
I think that would be a limitation based on the way the publisher sets up chapters and sections in the book, not based on the time to read code. If the publisher didn't properly enter chapters (I see quite a few books that way) there is no way for the time to read to recognize them.

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 4:39:43 PM PDT
Josh says:
I'm afraid your probably right, although I hope amazon can find a way around that. At any rate I spoke to customer service, and they told me they would send the issue to the engineering department and get back with me

Thanks for your response

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 4:57:00 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 5:42:00 PM PDT
You're just not making full use of your kindle, then, Susan :-)

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 5:46:41 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 5:48:33 PM PDT
I realize that Time to Read isn't useful to you, but it's definitely an addition I'm looking forward to, and you don't have to use it ;)

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 6:12:53 PM PDT
Yes, that's the great thing about the Kindle--everyone gets what they want from it. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 6:13:34 PM PDT
Agreed! Can't wait to get mine.

Posted on Oct 14, 2012, 6:17:00 PM PDT
Cyndie says:
A book I am currently reading is only offering me the choice of Time to End of Book, not till the next chapter but the first book I read on the Paperwhite was a major publisher's one and that offered me both till the end of the book or the end of the chapter.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 6:25:02 PM PDT
Was it pretty accurate?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 6:28:09 PM PDT
Cyndie says:
The first book giving the chapters was pretty darn accurate considering it was the first book I read on it. The one I'm reading now starting off saying I could read the whole book in two hours but as I've progressed it changed to 7 hours total. I much prefer the chapter ones but realize every book isn't set up properly for it to determine the chapters. That option is grayed out on the book I'm reading now.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2012, 6:58:47 PM PDT
Hmm. Hopefully the next one has chapter time left :)

Posted on Oct 18, 2012, 8:36:12 AM PDT
As a publisher who has done Kindle conversion I can tell you the original response from K.D. is almost certainly correct: the reading time measurement is based on the way the publisher set up the book when converting it to Kindle format, and there is probably no way to change this behavior of the Kindle.

Kindle books have something called an NCX file that provides a "logical table of contents" distinct from the table of contents you see when reading the book. This is what determines where the tick marks appear in the progress bar of older Kindles, and what page you move to when pushing the five-way controller to the right or left. If the NCX is set up by chapters, the five-way controller takes you to the next or previous chapter; if by sections, it takes you to the next or previous section. This is entirely independent of the visible TOC, which may have links to each chapter in the book while the logical TOC (which is invisible) links only to the sections. The Kindle has no way of knowing where chapters begin and end unless they're coded in the NCX file. And if the publisher didn't submit an NCX file, Kindle can only give you the amount of time required to read the entire book.

Before you jump on publishers who fail to set up their books to work well for this purpose, I'll tell you that creating an NCX file is not for the faint of heart, and that there are reasons one might reasonably choose to create it by sections rather than by chapters.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2012, 8:57:20 AM PDT
I've used Sigil to create my own ebooks and it adds the table of contents and divides the book into chapters for you, automatically. I save it as an EPUB, convert it to a .MOBI file with Calibre, send it to my Kindle, and the time left in chapter feature works just fine.

Posted on Oct 18, 2012, 8:05:55 PM PDT
Josh says:
Thank you for the well informed responses. I really appreciate you sharing these facts. It think the time to read function is a very cool enhancement, and a great tool on deciding if I should keep reading when pressed for time. I did not want to assume my device was defective, and based on your responses, its not.

Posted on Oct 18, 2012, 9:11:42 PM PDT
One other point. Even if a book is set up by chapters, you'll get your time left for the book instead of the chapter if that's the option selected for reading progress. You change this by selecting reading progress from the menu while reading the book.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2012, 8:51:54 AM PDT
You can also change it just by tapping on it.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2012, 12:08:29 PM PDT
Ann Overby says:
Thanks Mean Mr. Mustard! I didn't know you could just tap on it. I like that. Unfortunately the book I'm reading now also is not giving me time left in chapter, only in book. I had it on the first book I read with my new kindle and liked it.

Posted on Oct 24, 2012, 12:53:38 PM PDT
I hadn't realized at first that you could change this display item by tapping on it. I suspect some people may inadvertently touch it and wonder why they no longer are getting time left in the chapter.

I was using time left in the book to tell how I much more time it would take to make my way through War and Peace. I saw that if I took too long reading a page, my reading speed could be adjusted to something a bit slower, and my remaining time would go up instead of down when I turned to the next page.

But then something strange happened. All at once, the time remaining for the book jumped downward by about 30% (more than 10 hours lopped off the time left when I turned the page). I was well into the book when this happened. This plainly had nothing to do with my having suddenly become a faster reader. I wonder if anyone else has experienced a similar anomaly?

More generally, I wonder if anyone knows if reading speed is calculated separately for each book (some call for slower reading than others), and is it cumulative for all reading you've done or maybe a rolling average of how much time it took you to read the last X number of pages or paragraphs.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2012, 1:00:02 PM PDT
Just Peachy says:
I was also wondering if it is calculated by book or all books. I have been using it by chapter and so far it is pretty accurate.

I didn't know I would use this feature but have quickly come to love it. Especially since the status bar with tick marks is no longer across the bottom of the page.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2012, 1:00:04 PM PDT
Cyndie says:
It depends on how the book is formatted. One book I read recently didn't have real "chapter" but just a blank space at the end of one until it started the next so the PW could not calculate Time Left in Chapter. I hope I don't have many books like that because that is more useful to me than Time Left in Book.

Posted on Dec 30, 2012, 4:15:57 AM PST
faktotum85 says:
Kaye, the same has happened to me recently, reading Anna Karenina funnily enough. I'm not sure what causes this, but the initial, longer, predicted time seemed much more realistic to me.

Posted on Dec 30, 2012, 5:29:28 AM PST
Perry says:
I have seen my time remaining become way over optimistic (1 minute for 10 pages), so I've used the ";ReadingTimeReset" search option to correct it a couple times. I do love the feature when reading before bedtime.

Posted on Dec 30, 2012, 7:28:25 AM PST
lonbeehold says:
I do like the time left in chapter feature but wold prefer pages left in chapter. Some ePub books have this feature and I found it very useful.
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