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Initial post: Aug 8, 2014 7:57:31 PM PDT
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Posted on Aug 8, 2014 8:04:51 PM PDT
ON THIS DAY IN HISTORY
The Treaty of Fort Jackson, or more properly the Treaty with the Creeks, 1814, was signed on August 9, 1814, and concluded the Creek War of 1813-14 between the Red Stick faction of the Upper Creeks and the United States. The agreement was notable for forcing the Creeks to cede to the United States approximately 23 million acres of land (93,000 km) in the Mississippi Territory, much of it in present-day central and south Alabama, as well as in southern Georgia. The land-cession requirement would have the most far-reaching and devastating effect on the Creeks in Alabama. The land transfer opened up a vast fertile territory to white settlement and later led to the removal of the majority of the Creek Nation to the newly opened West.

The treaty was the result of Gen. Andrew Jackson's victory over the Red Sticks at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, which took place on March 27, 1814, in present-day Tallapoosa County. Among the requirements of the treaty, the cession of land was to pay for the war, and the Creeks were to hand over any leaders who had urged resistance to American expansion, and leaders were required to cease their communication Spanish outposts.
Sometime prior to the peace talks, Red Stick leader William Weatherford learned of Jackson's order for his arrest and instead turned himself in to Jackson, who chastised the Creek leader for his role in the Fort Mims massacre. Weatherford renounced further hostilities and sought food and clothing for the many Creeks displaced by the war and whose desperate condition was noted by officials at Fort Jackson.

Having recently been elevated to the rank of major general, Jackson was assigned as sole commissioner to represent the United States during treaty negotiations. Working under the broad conditions laid out by Armstrong, he proceeded to impose much harsher terms than any of the parties envisioned. Jackson thus earned the nickname "Sharp Knife" from the Creek negotiators, who included Lower Creek leader William McIntosh Jr. and Yuchi chief Timpoochee Barnard. Many of the Creeks who had allied with the United States objected that they were being punished for the offenses of the Red Sticks, most of whom were either dead or had taken refuge in Florida, still ready to make war. However, seeing little alternative but to sign or continue fighting, approximately 36 Creeks, including one reported Red Stick leader, signed the treaty.

This definitive victory freed Jackson to continue southwest to Louisiana, where he defeated the British forces at the Battle of New Orleans. Jackson's actions and views regarding Native Americans is said to have won him many votes during his election and re-elections to President of the United States (in office from March 4, 1829 - March 4, 1837).

Posted on Aug 8, 2014 8:05:44 PM PDT
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QUESTION: Do you feel that sports teams, such as the Florida State Seminoles, the Atlanta Braves, and the Washington Redskins should be pressured (or forced) to change their names/mascots? Why or why not?
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Posted on Aug 8, 2014 9:12:06 PM PDT
The Seminoles are a tribe, and as far as I know their name isn't pejorative. The Braves and Redskins are denigrating words and should be changed.

In the case of the Braves, how would it sound if the National Organization of Women (NOW) were the National Organization of Squaws? Sometimes you get a better sense of how insulting something is if you rephrase it. Similarly, would any team want to be called the Whiteys?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2014 9:32:43 PM PDT
redandwhite says:
@ Tippetarius (Tip)
Thank you for taking the weekend start(s).
Thank you also for the US history information.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2014 9:59:07 PM PDT
redandwhite says:
@ NewDiane
Thanks for giving me an understanding of Tip's question

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2014 10:24:40 PM PDT
The face on the Redskins uniform is that of a member of the Lenni-Lenape tribe named Tamanend, or Tammany. He was a confidant of William Penn and symbolized the blend of Old World and New that made the United States possible.

Posted on Aug 8, 2014 11:20:05 PM PDT
Tip, Thanks for taking the weekend..

As for your question, I have mixed feelings about it..
I can clearly see both sides but really haven't thought enough about it to
have made a decision...One of my thoughts is that they change the
Atlanta Braves to something else, people are still going to think The Braves when Atlanta is said..

Posted on Aug 8, 2014 11:25:46 PM PDT
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Posted on Aug 8, 2014 11:32:35 PM PDT
redandwhite says:
(^_^) - Words of Wisdom

The wise old Mother Superior from county Tipperary was dying. The nuns gathered around her bed trying to make her comfortable. They gave her some warm milk to drink, but she refused it. Then one nun took the glass back to the kitchen. Remembering a bottle of Irish whiskey received as a gift the previous Christmas, she opened and poured a generous amount into the warm milk.

Back at Mother Superior's bed, she held the glass to her lips. Mother Superior drank a little, then a little more. Before they knew it, she had drunk the whole glass down to the last drop.

"Mother", the nuns pleaded, "Please give us some wisdom before you die".

She raised herself up in bed with a pious look on her face and said, "Don't sell that cow".

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 2:52:52 AM PDT
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Posted on Aug 9, 2014 3:03:00 AM PDT
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redandwhite says:
1931 Caleb's Err - Book Six (The 1929 Series 6) by M.L. Gardner

The saga of The 1929 Series continues as Aryl's battle with opiates force Jonathan and Caleb to take drastic measures in an effort to save him. Claire clings desperately to the hope that the man she fell in love with, and lost, will reemerge from the depths of his addiction.

Ava confronts a dark secret from her past that sends her spiraling deeper into postpartum depression. And instead of reaching out to Jonathan, she withdraws from her friends and her life.

While Arianna is expecting their third child, Caleb finds himself ensnared in Marvin's tangled web of deceit and blackmail. He struggles to keep his family safe as he maneuvers his way out of the nightmare.

Bonds are renewed and further strengthened as the families band together. Will they have the tenacity to overcome their ordeals? Or will this forever destroy their friendships as they know it?
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Reading The 1929 Series in order:

1929 Jonathan's Cross - Book One
Elizabeth's Heart - Book Two
1930 Aryl's Divide - Book Three
Drifter - Book Four
Purgatory Cove - Book Five
1931 Caleb's Err -Book Six
Sayan Knights Coming September 7th, 2014
Short Stories from 1929
A Homespun Christmas (post series novella.)

Here is what you can expect from the series in the future.
Simon's Watch - Book Seven

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2014 4:06:11 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 9, 2014 8:10:28 AM PDT
Tip,
No, I don't.

First, the Seminoles themselves approve of the FSU use of their name and the mascot, recognizing that the school chose the name and the mascots to honor them and their place in the state's history. The fact that the Seminoles have endorsed this should, in my mind, end all discussion on this particular case.

As far as Atlanta, there is and never was anything derogatory about "Braves" . . . a term that denotes courage. Further, the tribes in our area do not see it as derogatory and have also endorsed its use. It is, and was, intended to honor this part of our history and our culture, and I think it does.

My opinion on the Washington Redskins is the least strong, because some members of some tribes have publicly objected to the name, but, again, the name was not chosen to be derogatory but to acknowledge and honor the original "Americans" by the team representing our nation's capitol. The name itself is now seen as a slur by some, but I think it is very clear -- from the fact that a team chose it -- that it was not seen and certainly was not intended to be seen as a slur when it was chosen. People do not name sports teams after something they dislike! They name teams after something they admire, or to reflect qualities they admire and wish to emulate.

I understand, and respect, NewDiane's perspective, which is shared by many. I appreciate her example, but let me remind us of another: The NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. At the time the association was created, "colored people" was the acceptable and polite term for the group of people whose advancement was promoted by the organization. It has since fallen into disrepute, and, in my lifetime, not one but many terms have succeeded it as acceptable, polite and preferred terms for the same group of people. Yet the organization does not change its name (although this has been discussed) but keeps it. The name reflects in some measure the progress the association and those who are sympathetic to it have made.

Further, the whole point of the Redskins is not to single out any specific tribe but to honor all the tribes of our nation. There is no word that acceptably does this. The term "Native American" is preferred by many whites, but laughed at by the majority of those it is used to describe. If you ask, most of those will tell you that they prefer first to be described according to their tribe: Cherokee, Creek, Navaho, Paiute, Seminole, whatever. If you don't know it, they will tell you that they'd just as soon be called Indians. I have heard, and read, many say that the term "Native American" is just silly, as it is equally applicable to people like me, my parents, my husband, and everyone who was born within the United States of America or even within North, Central and South Americas. I have to agree. I am a native, too. And so is Mr. Dirt.

edited to correct: autocorrect, which changed "just as soon" to "just assume"!

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 5:30:50 AM PDT
Hi Red, I didn't mean to make you feel left out. I have just started reading NOT FREE Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West NOT FREE, and the issue came to my mind because as someone who lived several years in Virginia, where the Washington Redskins are from, I have mixed feelings about the issue. They have been under a lot of fire in recent years for their name, and mascot. It seems to be escalating this year as the American football season nears, with preseason games starting this month.

A book that I really enjoyed years ago when my Dad got it for me is NOT FREE Panther in the Sky NOT FREE. I bought it in Kindle form when I realized it was available. It is about the Indian leader Tecumseh, and reads like an interesting novel.

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 5:39:21 AM PDT
Today in History: today is the anniversary of the nuclear bomb dropped on Nagasaki in 1945. Hiroshima was bombed on August 6. I can't imagine what that was like. I also can't imagine what the devastation has been like since the tidal wave that destroyed the nuclear reactors a few years ago. I hear so little about how things are going in that area now. I wonder why?

Anyone recall the nicknames given to the two bombs? Or the difference in the type of bombs that were used? The use of such nicknames seems disrespectful to me, but it is a part of history.

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 5:49:35 AM PDT
I am off to the farmer's market to buy: zucchini (so I can make those muffins in honor of yesterday :-) ); summer squash; tomatoes (I refuse to eat store bought, they taste like plastic to me); white peaches; blueberries or other berries in season; plums; early apples; Chinese long beans (if they have come into season) or else regular beans; pickle chips (he will put a scoop of the brine from the hot peppers in for me, spicy!); pickled mushrooms (an acquired taste that reminds me of my dear friend who died from lung cancer); and some goat yogurt. You would think I am buying for a large crew of people! But I won't go next weekend because I will he going away for a few days shortly after that.

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 6:54:08 AM PDT
redandwhite says:
Chips of Red Paint by K. Martin Beckner

Brian Haynes, the third-generation owner of a successful realty company, who married the owner of an even more successful lumber company, remembers back to one pivotal summer during his childhood that changed his perspective on life forever.

Following a frightening premonition from a mysterious neighbor, Brian, believing he has inadvertently contributed to the death of his grandmother's housekeeper, runs away from home with his best friend, Charlie. Aided by their friend Stephanie, the two friends find refuge with an old man living a hermit's life on a nearby knob. The old man teaches the boys the virtues of living a simple life and teaches them even more about letting go of the past and never taking things for granted.

It all comes to a terrifying climax one day when Charlie climbs inside an abandoned, rusty truck, a truck that still has a few chips of red paint, and closes the door. Here begins a struggle between life and death.

Chips of Red Paint is a modern Southern Gothic novel that weaves the past with the present into a colorful quilt that touches every emotion.

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 6:56:27 AM PDT
redandwhite says:
A Stallion Free and Wild by John G. Anderson

In the 1800's, Indian tribes were forced off the plains and onto reservations. Their horses killed or left to run wild, growing into great herds. A new breed of cowboy, the Mustang Hunter was born. It was at this time that Leif Nelson, an immigrant from Norway, arrived to live with his Uncle Martin in Fort Musselshell. Leif first set eyes on the beautiful stallion while riding the lonely prairie. He witnesses him fight a grey stallion to the death for his mustang mares. He named the stallion Thor

The tale of this stallion in Montana spread as riders from all corners of the land came with their best horses. They returned defeated, covered with Musselshell dust, swearing that the white stallion could not be caught.

A Blackfoot hunting party captures Leif while he is hunting Thor. Rescued by a rancher, he falls in love with his daughter, Sarna. Later he befriends a loner, Antone Baine, who introduces Leif to his horse, Big Red.

This is a story of mustangs, love, and death. You must read this tale for the exciting finish. Even the Blackfoot braves shake their heads for what they witness and raise their lances to the sky, chanting to the Great Spirit.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2014 7:05:03 AM PDT
kajola says:
I agree with Plays on all counts. She said it so much better than I could!

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 7:32:27 AM PDT
Good morning all :) Thank you for the start Tip.

From my watchlist this morning:
Romeo's - Melissa J. Rees - Cozy Mystery
The War of the Moonstone: Part One (The Song of the Broken World: A Dark Epic Fantasy Adventure / Sword and Sorcery Book 1) - Jack Conner - Fantasy/Action/Adventure (?)
Irish Heart: The Irish Treasures Saga Book Two - Amanda Meredith - Romance

Other picks before work:
Legacy of the Gods (Order of the Nexus Book 2) - C.P. Moore - Action/Adventure
Clouds That Were (Weathered Hearts Book 1) - Addison Footit - YA Romance
Mother Be The Judge - Sally O'Brien - Mystery/Thriller/Suspense
LUNA - Frank Picard - Mystery/Thriller/Suspense
Moon Shadow - Will Overby - Horror
New Age Religion - A. L. Toigt - Action/Adventure
The Price of Freedom - Alexis Scott - Literary Fiction

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 8:19:05 AM PDT
NewDiane,
In view of the rude DVs your post has attracted, let me hasten to assure you that not one of them came from me. I upvoted you. I'm going to allow Magnolio Palomino back online to upvote you also as soon as I log off. My opinion may be different, but I hope I made it clear that I respect your opinion and, further, that I respect your right to your opinion. I do not for a moment believe that Tip intended to evoke any kind of dispute but hoped to spark an intelligent and thoughtful debate on an issue that has been in the public forum in recent years.

Tip,
I noted the bombing anniversary for my start earlier in the week, and debated mentioning it. As far as the bombs names, it is always difficult in looking back at such things to understand the thinking without being affected by the sensibilities of our day . . . which makes this issue very similar to your initial question! Sensibilities change so much.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2014 8:50:55 AM PDT
Linda B says:
Plays - Thank you for the very interesting background regarding the sports team names. I am especially impressed by the logo used by the Washington Redskins now that I know it's origin. I had assumed it was just a caricature of a generic Indian. I'm still not sure that "redskins" is a respectful reference.

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 9:11:22 AM PDT
Overtime, I had to grab the peanut butter recipes, thanks! When I first looked at the title, I was not sure if it would be for things made with peanut butter, or how to make different kinds of peanut butter, LOL. I like almost anything made with PB. I have to say almost, because at our last food sale, a friend was so proud to have made peanut butter balls (peanut butter dipped in chocolate) and insisted I buy one and try it. Well, as soon as I bit it Imhad to turn my face into a mask. I was afraid I would gag. I can't identify what the problem was, it seemed to be a combination of texture and sweetness. I managed to say something positive about how smooth and sweet it was. Fortunately other people bought enough that they sold out.

Red, that Stallion book looks good, and is appropriate to the theme. Plays, I think Magnolio will want it, too. Hope to see him too. Don't let him see the oter thread where you talk about the war horses in Poland, too sad.

Have any of you ever read NOT FREE Why We Raise Belgian Horses NOT FREE. It is really good. I just bought my mom the paperback. I highly recommend it.
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