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Initial post: Nov 3, 2013, 9:41:54 PM PST
I see the new John Grisham is priced at $22 odd (Australian dollars) on the Kindle web site. This seems to be about $6 more than the hardback - although one would have to pay postage from USA on top of that. But the book is available in Australia for $18 in paper form. Pricing strategies for Kindles are way out of whack. I am buying from the local retailer at the lower price rather than waiting for Amazon to bring the Kindle price down (probably after Xmas). Seems silly to pay less for more substance!!

Posted on Nov 3, 2013, 9:50:23 PM PST
Artist says:
Amazon doesn't decide the price, the Au publisher does.

In the U.S., the e-book is only $10.99.

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Posted on Nov 3, 2013, 10:09:19 PM PST
Can I ask what you want out of this thread?

I don't understand. Are you asking for an opinion? It seems like a position statement. But none of us have any ability to mess with any of the above.

Soo.... how can we help?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2013, 10:17:52 PM PST
Loz says:
Your comment about the publishers here not dictating the price for paper books is neither here nor there. That has nothing to do with how kindle books are priced through Amazon.

It's simple, if you think the price is too high don't pay it. Many, many other people are willing to pay the price for the convenience and the ease of reading a kindle book vs a paper book. I suggest you have a look here http://digitalpublishingaustralia.org.au/digital-publishing-guide/8-pricing/ in relation to pricing, especially point 8.3 "Australian publishers continue to experiment with pricing".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2013, 10:40:21 PM PST
I'm afraid you're wrong. The publisher (along with Australian parallel importation laws) does indeed dictate the price at which books are set. But it's also to do with how online purchasing is differently regulated from instore purchasing.

As for using an email address in another country, you don't actually have to have an overseas credit card to do that. Many of the Aussies here regularly purchase kindle books at overseas prices while travelling overseas.

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Posted on Nov 3, 2013, 11:31:58 PM PST
musicmomma says:
You know it does not make a difference who is making the price higher. ebooks like any other product; if you do not like the price--don't buy it.

For the people who have been buying ebooks for many years (I am included), if the price is too high, it stays. I do that with everything I buy.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 3, 2013, 11:58:47 PM PST
CBRetriever says:
it's more price gouging by the publisher - I pay more for lots of books being that I'm in France, but sometimes I pay less if the book is published in the UK

if the only version of the new John Grisham is available to Amazon at 20USD, they'd have to be crazy to sell it to those in Australia at 18USD or less - Amazon doesn't usually sell ebooks at a lower price than they pay for them

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:06:56 AM PST
King Al says:
There's no such thing as price gouging for nonessential items.

Posted on Nov 4, 2013, 12:07:35 AM PST
Jay says:
Buy only public domain classics, on which the copyright has expired, and get them in e-book from Amazon for free.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:08:15 AM PST
King Al says:
Actually, ebooks have MORE substance than paper books. You can carry around thousands of books, you can change the font size, etc.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:09:25 AM PST
So how exactly do you think publishers can be "price gouging" without also being able to enforce their prices with Amazon?

It was **publishers** who raised Australian e-book prices in Nov 2011, not Amazon. If you haven't had a kindle since before then, you won't have seen those earlier (extremely competitive) prices. And if you don't know anything about the parallel importation restictions you won't understand why and how the current Australian laws contribute to those high prices.

I suggest you read the report of the Parliamentary Inquiry into IT product pricing:
http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=ic/itpricing/report.htm

See, for example, par 3.114: "The Committee notes, however, that according to Dr Matthew Rimmer, an academic from the Australian National University, in relation to e-books and software sold through Apple's app store, content is sold under an `agency agreement', according to which prices are set by the publisher or rights holder. In these cases the retailer acts as an agent and takes a percentage of each sale, but does not set the price. According to Dr Rimmer, Apple and a number of publishers are subject to an antitrust investigation in the United States as a result of price fixing concerns arising from the agency agreement."

And a quote from a publisher in par 4.58: "An e-book may be accessed electronically but it always remains the property of the publisher. An e-book purchaser merely acquires a license or the right to access and read the contents of a file they download. They cannot perform any actual process or manipulation with the contents of the e-book file and should not transfer it or its contents - which are subject to copyright - to anyone else." (Of course the owner of the rights is the one who controls the price people pay to use the contents.)

Prices of ebooks published by those publishers subject to the antitrust (price fixing, basically) suit in the US have dropped since they were forced to settle the suit against them and drop the agency agreement. Prior to that Amazon was *forced* into accepting publishers' prices in order to sell their (those publishers') books, and they (Amazon) are still not allowed to discount ebooks the way they can with paper books.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:11:21 AM PST
Loz says:
Got a link or something to back up your claims?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:11:55 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
and that suit only applies to book prices for US customers

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:16:59 AM PST
Books are essential items, King Al :-)

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:29:18 AM PST
King Al says:
No. It is not predatory pricing to price items at what the market will bear. Many people feel that ebooks are worth MORE than paper books and will never buy another paper book.

If you don't like it, you have the choice not to buy it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:32:00 AM PST
Loz says:
Right there with you Al. I have no intention of buying paper books again unless it is a textbook or something. But for me, 95% of what I buy is cheaper than a paperbook anyway. Or free. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:50:54 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/10/24/chart-amazons-profits-in-perspective

Thursday, Amazon will release its latest earnings report, and analysts are buzzing about when the company will finally show profits from all its long-term investments. Compared to other large tech companies, Amazon's profits don't seem to match up to its revenues.

and here are some other interesting articles:

http://www.fancygoods.com.au/tim/2010/04/14/why-cant-australians-buy-the-ebooks-they-want/
http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/01/24/the-international-agreement-to-gouge-e-book-customers/ (this blames Apple and the publishers)
http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/australia-says-no-worries-on-apple-ebook-pricing/
http://www.geekinsydney.com/626/ebooks-and-software-gouge-us-because-you-can-until-you-cant/

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 12:57:51 AM PST
KessaJo says:
So, buy whatever you want.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 1:01:23 AM PST
KessaJo says:
I think by, predatory pricing, the OP means that if it isn't priced where they want it to be...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 4, 2013, 2:09:39 AM PST
musicmomma says:
I want to buy a different car but they are not priced where I want it to be. Who can I complain to?

I had a co-worker who bought a Nook (her first mistake) and complained about the price of ebooks. She tried to convience me it was not a "real" book. I asked her what part of the book she did not get. She looked at me like I was crazy. I told her she received the whole book--you pay for the whole book. If you don't like the price of ebooks, you should have checked out the prices before you bought the Nook. She was not happy with my answer. Too Bad!!!!
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