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Initial post: Dec 6, 2011, 11:20:27 PM PST
Hello! I just purchased my first kindle. When borrowing books from the library, does the expiration date depend on the internal clock of the kindle device? If I don't sync it wirelessly nor return the book, will I be able to still read the book beyond the expiration date? just curious. thank you

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 3:07:07 AM PST
Arieswoman says:
If you have a library book under Amazon Prime it does not expire unless you cancel your prime membership. There is time limit but only one book is lent to you at any time. Now books I get from my local library expire in 14 days and just go away.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 4:06:20 AM PST
Sydyne says:
I have borrowed books from the overdrive library on my K3. When I did turn the WiFi off, I could continue to read the book past the expiration date. Once I did connect to WiFi, the AutoSync (WhisperSync?) expired the book.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2011, 4:36:35 AM PST
Sarida says:
No, the library's "time" is what counts. Obviously, as an honest taxpayer, you wouldn't do anything to violate your library's terms of service :)

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 5:02:10 AM PST
K. Holmes says:
John Paul,

You are correct, as long as you do not turn on the wireless on your Kindle the library book will still be readable on it. Once wireless is turned on, the book will not be available to you any longer.

I've tried this when I was not able to finish a book before its expiration date and it works.

I do not see this as doing anything wrong at all.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 5:04:41 AM PST
Sarida says:
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Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 6:17:52 AM PST
You can always recheck the book out and finish it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2011, 6:20:44 AM PST
Annie DC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2011, 6:21:42 AM PST
Mary Jane says:
It is a glitch in the software. As far as the library is concerned, the book is returned and available to other patrons. People are not doing anything wrong if they forget to turn on their wifi or use that opportunity to finish a book.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2011, 6:22:07 AM PST
Mary Jane says:
That only works if there is not a waiting list for it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2011, 6:43:19 AM PST
King Al says:
Since the book is returned to the library (it is available to other patrons), it is not really wrong to do that.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 8:43:02 AM PST
Debbie says:
My local library allows me to keep the book for 21 days if I need it and if the wireless is not turned on the book is still on my kindle but if I finish the book early I can go to the Manage my kindle page and return the book even if I do not turn on my kindle the book is still returned to the library and is available to others.

I tend to return the books as soon as I or my husband finishs the books but I do not always remember to turn the wireless back on the kindle. I think my husband has 3-4 returned books on his kindle since he has not turned on his wireless on his kindle in ages and when we borrow a library book we have to side load it as he has the older k2 model. I have never thought of this as doing anything wrong.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 8:50:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 7, 2011, 8:51:10 AM PST
Redwood Girl says:
The library's "copy" is definitely available to other patrons after the expiration date. In this way it is "in two places at once". As far as I know, there is nothing in any terms of service that is violated by not turning on your Wifi connection. (Or to put it another way, there is no language that suggests that we must or should turn on our Wifi connections on the expiration date.)

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 5:38:44 PM PST
Annie DC says:
Ok, if it is considered returned and available to other patrons, then I apologize, and K. Holmes is right. The waiting lists at my library are huge, and I had never heard of this anomaly, so I assumed it prevented others from their turn.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 5:42:03 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 7, 2011, 5:42:24 PM PST
Artist says:
Doesn't that mean that people who download their books via usb, and never make a wireless connection, can keep those library books forever? Maybe that's why Penguin removed their Kindle books from libraries.

Posted on Dec 7, 2011, 5:52:22 PM PST
Lori Maze says:
My library lends ebooks for 14 days max, with no opportunity to renew if I haven't finished the book during that time. If I turn off my wifi, the book stays on my Kindle past the 14-day period, but the "license" allowing me to borrow it expires and the library "loans" the book to the next person on the waiting list, even though I still retain a copy on my Kindle. I don't see this as wrong from either a legal, moral, or ethical persepctive. If, however, the next patron in line couldn't borrow the book while it was still on my Kindle with the wifi off, then I would feel differently and would not keep the book past the expiration date. Of course, I would also be assessed late charges in the latter case. I do not currently incur any late charges when the loan expires and the book is still on my Kindle with the wifi is off.

Posted on Dec 31, 2011, 7:21:06 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 7:27:41 AM PST
Sarida says:
I agree with you whole-heartedly!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 7:29:55 AM PST
Sarida says:
I don't see it as a "gimmick." I see it as your tax dollars working properly. Libraries do not HAVE to offer you this service. It is a 50 mile round trip to my "local" library, and to have the ability to download books and audio books is so amazing to me, that I have NEVER taken it for granted! I simply could not use my library if this service was not offered. I don't see it as a "gimmick." I see myself being EXTREMELY fortunate!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 7:31:36 AM PST
Just Peachy says:
Why would they knowingly let you keep the book for a long time AND let someone else borrow it at the same time?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 8:16:09 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 31, 2011, 8:26:19 AM PST
TerryB says:
Pat in Georgia: if by "they", you mean libraries, libraries have no control over it. It's an OverDrive function and design, selected for economy and efficiency.

The only way to ensure every book is removed/disabled promptly upon expiration would be to embed the lending period into every book's data. Since the expiration date varies from one library to another, it would be cost-and-design prohibitive for OverDrive to do that.

So their solution is that books are removed/disabled by wireless signals. Each library's lending period is part of their OverDrive profile, and that's what determines when the signal goes out. The ability of borrowers to temporarily disable their wireless and not get the signal is a by-product that I'm sure OverDrive and libraries are willing to accept. It's not a problem for anyone.

edit to add: I've described the process conceptually rather than accurately, because I've forgotten just how the technology works. (As a librarian, I rec'd OverDrive training back in 2010, pre-Kindle, but the process is the same for all ebooks.) A wireless signal doesn't actually remove the book; but it's similar in concept.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 8:45:03 AM PST
Just Peachy says:
I understand all of that. I was asking the other poster why they thought they should get to keep the book past the expiration date.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 8:46:17 AM PST
TerryB says:
right! sorry, I should have read the post to which you replied..

Posted on Dec 31, 2011, 10:14:59 AM PST
Pageturner says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 10:59:41 AM PST
CLS10 says:
Blaiz that's a very good point/hypothesis. If this is the case for kindles versus other ereaders, I can understand Penguin's concerns.
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