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After deleted book from library it also disappeared from kindle


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Initial post: Aug 1, 2013, 4:44:17 AM PDT
The book was downloaded, I even read almost half of it.
Looked in recent, by author and by title but still not there. Also looked in the cloud and device, and even typed the name of the book but still nothing.
Than again I downloaded the same book and again downloaded it to my kindle, after what I deleted it from online library, and it again disappeared.
This never happened with my previous kindle i.e. once downloaded to kindle I could delete it from the library and the book would remain on the device...
Any ideas what happened?
Thanks,

Dijana

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 4:50:44 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
why delete it from your library before you're done reading it?

Theoretically you should no longer be able to read the book as you have thrown out the license to read it. And, btw, the Cloud is just a window into your account, so it's not going to see a book there if you deleted it from your account

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 4:59:59 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:03:26 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Why are you deleting it from your library?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:04:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 1, 2013, 5:04:31 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
You should look into parental controls on the Kindles your children use or have different account for their kindles.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:06:26 AM PDT
MikeJW says:
Wow. Then,if you're convinced that CBR is wrong, keep deleting books from your account and keep wondering why you can't read them any longer.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:08:11 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
that's the problem then - the Kindle Fire is a whole different type of device and what worked on an e-ink kindle in a lot of cases does not work on a tablet with a completely different operation system

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:30:52 AM PDT
You can see the library however you like, but that won't alter how it *is*, nor the fact that CBRetriever is correct. The library (or cloud, or your account; whatever you like to call it) is Amazon's record of what you've bought. If you delete something from there you've erased the record of purchase and the right to keep reading it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 5:35:34 AM PDT
M. Patterson says:
Exactly. Deregister an e-ink Kindle and the content stays on it until it is deliberately deleted from the device. Deregister a Fire and everything is gone. It dynamically reads and compares account contents every time it connects to the 'net, if you delete a title from the MYK page, it will be removed from the Fire.

The only way to manage content between Fire devices on the same account is to use Parental Controls and/or Free Time.

At some point, it would not surprise me if Amazon changes the e-ink Kindles to behave the same way, but they don't for now.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 6:12:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 1, 2013, 6:13:26 AM PDT
Dijanam says: "I think you are wrong, I see the library is a place to store book/apps until those are downloaded to devices we want and if the content is not appropriate /interesting to all, it could be deleted."

It doesn't matter what you think. It's not a library, it's an account. If you delete it from your account then it's gone forever. It is the digital equivalent of throwing a paper book in the trash. For crying out loud, they warn you of that before you remove it. => "Are you sure you want to permanently delete this title? Doing so will permanently remove this title from your account, and you will have to re-purchase it if you want to read it again."

If you want to be controlling what can and can't be seen on various Kindles on your account then you should be using the parental controls, WiFi lockout, and the Kindle Freetime app on the Fire HD.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 6:18:45 AM PDT
J. Gatie says:
You "think"? Really? Why should what you "think" alter reality? I mean, I've got a neighbor who "thinks" he's Charlize Theron, but that doesn't change the nighmarish visuals I get when I catch a glimpse of him going out for a night on the town.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 6:25:10 AM PDT
It doesn't matter what you think. CBR is correct. Evidently you're trying to use the Cloud contrary to its purposes and parameters.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 6:39:28 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
well, in his/her defense, it did work that way with the e-ink kindles most of the time

it's the Fire that put the kink in the works

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 6:57:28 AM PDT
Point conceded. :0) Stupid Fires.

Posted on Aug 1, 2013, 7:19:50 AM PDT
I dont get the hostility, I obviously asked a question because I dont understand what is going on.
I've been using kindle fire for over 1.5 years, and now I got HD fire which is somewhat different.
I was looking for constructive advice /explanation because what I have been doing until now was: 1. buy a book, 2. download a book, 3. if needed, delete a book from amazon library. And once downloaded to device, the book would remain there.
I just did the same thing - but guess what, as soon as I deleted the book from amazon library, the same disappeared from HD fire but is still available on "old" fire.
As I said, only constructive feedback pls...

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:26:12 AM PDT
PeepDittie says:
"3. if needed, delete a book from amazon library."

It's not needed so quit doing that.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:30:33 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
constructive feedback - your options are:

1. don't delete the book until you're through with it becausethe Kindle Fire HD will delete the book if you delete it from Manage Your kindle and there's no way to prevent it unless (I'm not sure this will work) you leave wireless off on that kindle until you've finished reading the book.

2. use parental controls to shut off your archives so your children can't download the books (they'll still be able to see the title, though)

3. set up Kindle FreeTime for them, but this will block all internet access for them

4. set up a separate account for them

Unfortunately, as you've discovered, a Kindle Fire HD is not like the original Kindle Fire or the e-ink kindles.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:32:57 AM PDT
"...as soon as I deleted the book from amazon library, the same disappeared from HD fire, but is still available on "old" fire..."

I'm guessing that the HD has wi-fi on, and has synced, deleting the book, but the "old" Fire hasn't/wasn't synced yet, so the title was still there. Once the "old" Fire connects to wi-fi and syncs again, guess what? Deleted books will be ... deleted.

Yep, yep. ~Fires work differently~ from e-ink. True enough.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:37:58 AM PDT
The most constructive feedback I can think of is to try reading what's on the screen. Every time you remove something from the account, you get a message specifically saying you are permanently deleting this, and if you want to access it again you will have to re-purchase it. You have to click on ok in order to complete the deletion. This happens every single time you delete. Why are you surprised now?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:40:19 AM PDT
I think when she(?) was doing it with e-ink, it didn't matter (so to speak), since the title would remain on the e-ink Kindle unless and until she deleted it specifically.

I think the disconnect was when she realized that it didn't work that same way on the Fires.

Posted on Aug 1, 2013, 7:41:49 AM PDT
CBR thanks for your input. This is my trial time with the new baby so this is part of the learning process.

Folina - I did synced the "old" kindle a few times now, and the books is still there, along with all the books I got over the time and deleted from amazon library after downloading to the device...

I might just de-register some of the devices or look for another option like nook. Its just that living in Eastern Europe is so much easier and we heavily rely on amazon for a lot of purchases... I have all purchases in one place, with one pass...

Posted on Aug 1, 2013, 7:42:48 AM PDT
PeepDittie says:
Still, deleted from the library is deleted from the library. Regardless of the device(s) in the equation, there's going to be a whole other surprise when she wants to download those e-books from the account again somewhere down the road.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:43:17 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
You were given constructive feedback and responded with "I think you are wrong, I see the library is a place to store book/apps until those are downloaded to devices we want ..."

You can think whatever you want but it was explained to you how it really works.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:45:08 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 1, 2013, 7:46:13 AM PDT
PeepDittie says:
Sweetie, what makes you think nook is like magic and you won't have to also learn a thing or two about account management, file management, etc., etc.?

ETC typo

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2013, 7:45:11 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Look at the Parental Controls on the devices your children use. Have you done that?

Good luck with that Nook and no customer service. Can you even buy a Nook in Eastern Europe?
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