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Kindle Fire application storage space restrictions

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Initial post: Dec 30, 2011, 4:12:22 PM PST
Superchiller says:
I got my Kindle Fire at launch and in general am loving it. But one major thing is bothering me: Amazon seems to have hard-wired the Kindle Fire to limit Application storage to only 1.17gb, whereas "Internal Storage" has up to 5.37gb. Now since I mainly use my Kindle for Apps, web browsing, checking email, and some music, I would prefer to have more storage allocated to Apps, and less to all that "other" stuff.

Currently my Kindle is warning me that Application Storage is low (112mb free of 1.17gb), and suggesting that I delete some apps to free up storage. But I don't WANT to delete apps, when I have 3.23gb of "Internal Storage" sitting there unused!

Why can't Amazon allow us to allocate our total available storage (6.5gb usable) to whatever we want? Why am I limited to a measly 1.17gb for apps, when just one single app (Puzzle Quest 2, which is excellent) takes up 250mb alone? Come on Amazon, why be so restrictive with how we configure out Kindle Fires? Let US decide what we want to do with the storage, instead of setting up arbitrary limits like this! Its bad enough that we have so little storage to begin with (and NO SD CARD SLOT), but when you put this restriction on top of everthing else, its pretty sad.

Anyone know of a way to reallocate some of the "Internal Storage" to "Application Storage", or are we just screwed when it comes to that?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 4:18:26 PM PST
Dave D. says:
This has happened to me once before. It seems to have stopped. Try to do a hard reset. After the last update I noticed the partition of the memory. Since then I have downloaded some really memory hog apps, such as backstab and avatar. These have small basic apps and then ask you to download a large file to actually run the app. For Backstab it was bout 500 mb. I didn't have that much left, but it appears that the extra downloads went to the content partition, and not the app partition. I don't know how consistent this is, but it seemed to work for me okay. Give it a go and see if it works the same for you.

Posted on Dec 30, 2011, 4:20:02 PM PST
Ernie says:
You can't unless you root the Fire.

However I wouldn't characterize my situation as "screwed."
I read what the Fire can and can't do, prior to buying it.
Couldn't be happier.

The Fire is made for movies and books and music, not apps as it is not a tablet nor a phone. The apps it will run are "neutered" somewhat since there is no mic, camera et cetera.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 4:23:47 PM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
Yes it is a tablet.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 8:13:06 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 30, 2011, 8:13:27 PM PST
Superchiller says:
@ Ernie

Yes it is a tablet, it has a dual-core processor and runs Android games, and many of them very well. I've run Asphalt 6 HD, Shine Runners, Riptide GP, Puzzle Quest 2, Plants Vs. Zombies, Sentinel 3 HD, Serious Sam Kamikaze Attack, and many others. They all look and run great on the Fire. I prefer the fire as primarily an App device, and primarily for games, so this is a very relevant question. I SHOULD be able to use WHATEVER internal memory is available for all of my apps, and not be restricted to a tiny chunk of memory for just apps. Admittedly some of my apps download additional "data" that resides outside the apps storage, but the situation is still inadequate. My Fire shows 3.23gb of 5.37gb available "Internal Storage", but only 112mb of 1.17gb "Application Storage". Why should I be limited on app storage if that is my primary use of the device? Right, I shouldn't, and I think any Kindle Fire owners should be able to REALLOCATE the memory as needed, OR that there should be no distinction between "Internal" and "Application" storage.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 8:25:15 PM PST
Q says:
The reason is simple. Android stores those apps in its own partition along with the OS. The 5 GB you speak of is a FAT32 partition and the apps can't be stored there. App extra files can be stored in the FAT32 area like Asphalt 6 does.

So you are talking about different partitions and different partition formats.

Anyway, what's hard about deleting some of the apps? They are always there to download again when there is wifi and you need them. No one needs all of those apps at once.

And be warned. The OS won't be happy if you fill up too much of the space in either partition. Slow-downs happen.

Posted on Dec 30, 2011, 8:44:59 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 30, 2011, 8:50:46 PM PST
Superchiller says:
@ Q

Thanks for the helpful response. Then would one assume that rooting this device would remove the limitations? I would assume the device could be re-partitioned to allow more area for apps, and less for the FAT32 partition? For people who use mainly apps, this option should be available, don't you think?

And as for you question about deleting apps; I feel that if there is additional unused storage on the Kindle, I should be able to store MORE apps, and not have to delete them. For an example, Puzzle Quest 2 just came out on the Fire (special version), and it takes 247mb of storage. That single game eats over 1/5th of total app storage (total is 1.17gb). A few more apps of this type, and you have no space for much at all on the device. The point for me is to have a good selection of games to play offline, whenever I want, and not be worried about measly space allocations. I feel it is a reasonable thing to expect from this device, since I am not really renting it; I bought it and should have that option.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 9:04:51 PM PST
Q says:
I was really happy that most of Asphalt 6's 500 MB was put on the FAT32 partition, so I assumed other huge games could do the same. Puzzle Quest 2 doesn't? Unfortunate. The Nook Tablet has the same app 1GB space limit, and it has 16 GB to play with. Not sure if rooting the Fire will allow you to give more room for the apps.

Usually, shrinking or enlarging partitions with data on it is no small matter.

Posted on Dec 30, 2011, 9:37:39 PM PST
Superchiller says:
Yes I agree that Asphalt 6 HD does a great job with memory allocation (actually I found an Asphalt 6 data folder with 896mb of data in it, and the app itself only shows 9.88mb; are you sure you only got 500mb of extra data?). Unfortunately Puzzle Quest 2, which looks and plays fantastically, is a giant hog with 247mb of app storage used. That does really cut down on my available space for apps! Still I wish Amazon allowed for more app space, if users primarily prefer apps on the device. I buy them all from them anyway!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 9:50:31 PM PST
Q says:
Yep, you're right. Mine is now 890 GB. It requested 500 GB at the start on install. Seems it got bigger! Thank heavens it is using the FAT32 area!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 10:35:30 PM PST
Ernie says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2011, 10:53:28 PM PST
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Q says:
What do you mean by "touting of OS"?? In fact, I don't understand the entire sentence.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 12:26:48 AM PST
C. Scilley says:
This is the way all Android tablets and phones do. Amazon has just made this available so we can keep track. I have a lot of apps on my Kindle Fire, and still have a lot of room for apps. I really don't know what the problem is. Also, you can take off apps that you don't use and they will still be there in the cloud when you want them again.

Posted on Dec 31, 2011, 8:48:13 AM PST
Superchiller says:
@ Ernie

Not sure what you mean by "touting of OS", maybe you meant "tweaking of OS". However, this issue is one reason why people are rooting their Fires (something I previously would not consider). There should be more flexibility in how we use our Kindle Fires; regardless of whether this is an Amazon media device or not. We aren't "renting" this device, we own it, and should have some options.

@ Carolyn

You're right that the apps I bought are still in the cloud and can be reinstalled. However, one single app that I have (Puzzle Quest 2) eats up 247mb of my application data storage (out of the max of 1.17gb, so over 20%). That single app (which I like a lot) is basically the equivalent of about 25 smaller apps. Most other apps are no more than 10mb in size, some are less and some bigger ones are a little more.

Since my Kindle Fire has a huge amount of "Internal Storage" still available (3.23gb), it seems reasonable that I could use some of that storage for apps; but as pointed out by Q, the way the Fire is partitioned just doesn't allow this. Its frustrating for people who mainly use the Fire for apps, as I do; the "other" storage is just sitting there wasted.

Posted on Dec 31, 2011, 4:04:03 PM PST
Ernie says:
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Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 2:00:04 AM PST
M. Minier says:
I don't care what anyone calls it, the Kindle Fire is a tablet. It does everything I want a tablet to do. I use it for games, apps, Netflix, email, social networking....yeah its a tablet. Just because it doesn't have some features that more expensive tablets have, does not mean it is not a tablet. A wise man once said, "If it looks like a horse, smells like horse, and acts like a horse, it probably is a horse."

Now I agree totally with the OP. I don't see how it would be so hard to allow a person to adjust how much space they want for apps. I have had my KF for only 3 days now and I am already over 800mb full on the Application Storage. I should not have to delete and redownload things. The Kindle Fire already is severely limited on space as it is. At least let us use that space how we choose.

Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 2:44:33 AM PST
Ernie says:
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Ztu says:
Any 'tablet' is generally expected to have a touchscreen bigger than mobile smartphones. So that eliminates the psp as a 'tablet' right away. As it does the iPod Touch and my Zune HD and my iPhone.

But anyway, can the psp run thousands of applications, access full web pages, create and edit documents, manage files between devices, manage bank accounts and personal finances, etc, etc, etc. I get what you are trying to say but the Fire can do a lot more than just deliver media.

I think the Fire is primarily designed as a media/personal entertainment tablet and its UI certainly focuses on that. But it can do many other things that a full blown tablet computer can do...mostly being only limited by its lack of some hardware options that are now often found on tablet computers...such as a camera, gps, etc.

Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 8:32:23 AM PST
Superchiller says:
@ Ernie

I have several PSPs, and they are nothing like the Kindle Fire. As pointed out by Stujoe, the PSP is virtually crippled when it comes to anything computer-related. Does it browse the web? Yes, but very poorly with a clunky, almost unmanageable interface. Does it run apps? No. Does it manage documents? No. Does it check email? Not very well, and sending an email using the horrendous interface is terrible. These two devices are very dissimilar. The Fire is a small, budget tablet with limited capabilities; but even with those limits, we should be able to tweak it a little to suit how we use it, don't you think? If one person uses it mainly for music and videos, they should be able to weight the storage that way; and if another person uses it mainly for apps, that person should have storage flexibility too. That's all I'm saying, let us configure the Fire for the things we most use it for.

Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 12:37:56 PM PST
Ernie says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2012, 12:42:40 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 1, 2012, 1:58:55 PM PST
Superchiller says:
The Kindle Fire plays games too, so you really don't have a point, and your posts don't add anything useful. Thanks for clarifying your point . . . whatever it was.

Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 2:57:57 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 1, 2012, 3:36:56 PM PST
M. Minier says:
I'm not really sure how the OP's original statement at all translated to "Kindle vs. PSP" but here goes. I own both. I have had a PSP since they first came out and through the years I have used it so much that I have been through 2 of them and this one is on it's last legs. However, the PSP pretty much does one thing, games.

Don't get me wrong, the PSP does have other features. However, try actually using the web browser on it and you will find that not only is it ridiculously slow(although not as bad as the DS), it can only load certain pages correctly. Even when it does load pages they are often too small to even read without using that god awful zoom.

Now let's talk media. Unless you buy the movies on UMD or get them from the PSN, you are pretty much screwed. Netflix and other services are either absent or they work so terribly that it doesn't even pay. Music? I guess. Although the limited management capabilities and terrible interface, combined with the short battery life(even with the best battery you can buy for it), lead to the PSP being a terrible music device.

Social Networking? Forget it. Without a Facebook app or anything like that, the PSP simply simply cannot do it. Sure you could try to load up Facebook on the web browser, but that would take me right back to the first point.

I could really go on and on here, but I won't. The point is, calling the PSP a tablet is a joke, plain and simple. Only someone seriously uneducated(or a fanboy) would call it one. The PS Vita on the other hand, may actually turn out to be decent at tablet-esque functions. Time will tell.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2012, 3:17:05 PM PST
I love my Kindle Fire TABLET, just like I love my HP Touchpad TABLET, just like I love my ASUS TABLET. The Kindle Fire TABLET is unique in that it is also a media consumption device exclusive to Amazon.

Posted on Jan 1, 2012, 9:00:17 PM PST
Ztu says:
The Fire is for whatever you want to use it for within the scope of what its capabilities are. And that its capabilities include a lot more than just media really isn't even debateable.

Posted on Jan 2, 2012, 11:20:30 AM PST
Ernie says:
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