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Nothing seems "Lendable"

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Initial post: Jun 10, 2012 11:12:49 AM PDT
I am very disappointed in the fact that so few books appear to be lendable. Not a single book that I purchased is lendable. Is it me, or if you BUY a book and OWN a book, shouldn't you be able to do whatever you want with it?!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:18:17 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 10, 2012 11:19:40 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
It is you, Sarah :o)

Read TOS carefully: you are buying a *license* to read a book as many times as you wish, but nothing else.

For example, from the License Agreement:

"Use of Digital Content.
Upon your payment of the applicable fees set by Amazon, Amazon grants you the non-exclusive right to keep a permanent copy of the applicable Digital Content and to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times, solely on the Device or as authorized by Amazon as part of the Service and solely for your personal, non-commercial use. Digital Content will be deemed licensed to you by Amazon under this Agreement unless otherwise expressly provided by Amazon.

Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense or otherwise assign any rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party, and you may not remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Digital Content. In addition, you may not, and you will not encourage, assist or authorize any other person to, bypass, modify, defeat or circumvent security features that protect the Digital Content. (2010-01-18). Kindle User's Guide, 5th Ed (Kindle Locations 1740-1747). Kindle Edition. "

Edit: BTW, it is publishers, not Amazon, who don't always allow lending.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 11:38:12 AM PDT
loriltx says:
Sarah, just like a physical book, you are free to loan out the device containing the words, that is, with a physical book, the paper; with an ebook, the kindle.

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 11:38:14 AM PDT
Bixillarla says:
The publishers decide which books they will allow to be lendable, most the books from the big 6 publishers are not lendable.

If you read mostly mainstream stuff then almost nothing will be lendable for you, it is the smaller publishers and indies that are lendable.

You do not own the book with the Kindle edition, you get a license to read the book. It is totally different from paper books. Each has their positives and negatives. You have to weigh them and decide which format is better for you.

Posted on Jun 10, 2012 11:39:31 AM PDT
Yes, I understand that. But this "license" to read costs just as much as buying the book in paperback. Yes, I also realize that it is the publishers that don't allow lending. Again... I get it, just think it's a bit of a joke....
I generally read things once and done. So, I prefer to share the books. I have gotten around this by for the most part, only reading library books on my kindle. But once in awhile, I'm impatient and the wait list is too long and I do purchase it. So, my point is, I'd purchase a lot more books if I could share them.
Doesn't matter, for the most part, I was venting because I've tried to share 6 books and struck out each time.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 12:26:44 PM PDT
Denis Powell says:
Sarah, Libraries pay more for their ebooks than we do so as far as lending is concerned the Publisher will make more from your friend borrowing the book from the Library than that person borrowing the same book from you.

I buy books because I'm quite happy to pay in the hope that it will encourage authors to write more. I've never understood why avid readers believe that not paying an author is a good thing for writers when books, to me, seem to provide low cost entertainment.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012 1:12:19 PM PDT
Bufo Calvin says:
sarah008, if you use this Google search: lending:enabled ASIN

you'll find books that the publishers have chosen to make lendable (in addition to the license we've always had in the Kindle store).

Hope that helps...

To answer your question, what you can do with something you buy depends on a combination of laws and licensing.

In the case buying a copy of a paperbook, it falls under something called the First Sale Doctrine, which was recognized by the US Supreme Court in 1908.

It established that a copyright holder did not control a physical copy of a copyrighted work after someone else had purchased it.

That affects what happens when you buy a copy of a paperbook. It's what enables you to sell it without first getting the permission of the rightsholder.

You do not, though, own the book. The book consists of the words written by the author (although there may be other contributors to what you buy, such as editing).

When you buy a license for an e-book, it does not fall under the First Sale Doctrine. You agree to conditions when you buy the license, and the seller similarly has obligations inherent in the license.

There are advantages and disadvantages to owning that physical copy versus owning the license. For example, if that papercopy is lost/stolen/destroyed (and I know someone whose library burned), the publisher doesn't replace it for you. If the same thing happens to your Kindle or other device, you can simply download the e-books to another device on the account for free.

You can have a hundred or more people on your account, and all read the same book from the Kindle store for one download price (although not typically at the same time).

For people who routinely sell their books, that's a disadvantage for an e-book license. For people who routinely share books with the same people (and are comfortable having them on the same account), that's an advantage for e-book licensing.

Some people may choose one or the other or a mixture of both...

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 4:01:20 PM PDT
Foobar says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 4:20:03 PM PDT
 Ann says:
Searching for books that are part of the Kindle Owners' Lending Library is different than searching for books that may be loaned to other users.

Besides, you're spamming by dredging up numerous old threads to post your article.
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