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What is this Defective by Design all about?

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Initial post: Nov 9, 2012, 10:47:33 PM PST
Phen says:
What is the deal with all of the bogus reviews regarding drm? It was obviously a spammer, but there were numerous references to the catch phrase of " defective by design". I don' t want to google it b/c I'm being paranoid, but is this a legitimate reference to a blog or article?

Posted on Nov 9, 2012, 10:50:47 PM PST
It's an anti-DRM org. They are telling people to post bogus reviews on Amazon.

They're not very bright are they?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 11:02:21 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 9, 2012, 11:05:30 PM PST
Phen says:
Oh, for pete's sake. Totally agree with you about their lack of intelligence.

And thank you for responding. I was very curious about the sudden mayhem today...I think I counted 9 or 10 posts.

Posted on Nov 10, 2012, 2:34:41 PM PST
Jerri says:
The group started the campaign originally against Apple a few years ago but they added Amazon to the hit list as far as I can tell on 11/8/12 when they posted an article specifically asking that their groupies post 1 star reviews for the Kindle Fire.

Posted on Nov 10, 2012, 2:39:00 PM PST
jsh1120 says:
Sheep are sheep regardless of the idols they worship.

Posted on Nov 10, 2012, 7:39:53 PM PST
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T. Gray says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2012, 8:09:31 PM PST
No, someone in Norway was illegally downloading files from the UK store. Her Kindle broke and she started a whining campaign that ignorant people flamed up into an international incident.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2012, 8:11:28 PM PST

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 2:40:14 AM PST
AC Sue says:
I don't know all the facts of the case (I read several articles with various claims of what friends/relatives/credit cards/addresses/Amazon sites were involved) but if the published emails were genuine I don't blame her for being upset when they wouldn't even tell her why the account was being cancelled.

As for all the "ignorant people", most of them managed to quote TOS terms that they found disturbing. Frankly, I don't understand why any sane person wouldn't find them somewhat disturbing, as whatever limited rights you have when clicking on the "BUY" button are for an indeterminate period of time solely at Amazon's whim.

If all the coverage of this story at least managed to reach people that have never bothered to think about the implications of DRM then I think that's a fine thing.

I've been burned (to the tune of several thousand dollars worth of ebooks in obsolete and unsupported formats) by upstanding corporate citizens like Microsoft, Barnes and Noble (after they bought Fictionwise/Ereader), and Amazon (after they bought Mobipocket). If it weren't for Alf, et al I wouldn't be buying any more ebooks.

Posted on Nov 11, 2012, 11:01:31 AM PST
Jerri says:
We live in a hi-tech digital age. Do you read the licenses for software use you agree to? Sure - when you read this stuff, you agree to a lot of things I would prefer not to agree to. But - if you want to use software, buy apps, etc. you are going to have to agree to the licenses which have huge disclaimers and limit your rights. As noted previously this particular movement started with Apple. The fact is every software/content owner/developer is going to control their products - Amazon included. And mistakes will be made. You have to look at the big picture. Is this a common occurrence or an unfortunate "we screwed up" incident. Will this change? No. Am I going to obsess about this? No. If you do not like it stick to paper books, do not buy computers, tablets, smartphones, etc. It is a personal decision, but I personally have never had any problems.

Posted on Nov 11, 2012, 1:09:12 PM PST
T. Gray says:
Doesn't the European Union act as an activist for consumers and the public when it comes to stuff like that across the pond? Like suing Google in the interest of their citizens etc. I could be wrong though.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 1:13:57 PM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
I just stripped the DRM from my books that were in the Microsoft Reader format. They stopped supporting it so I did what I had to do.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 5:08:58 PM PST
AC Sue says:
>> It is a personal decision, but I personally have never had any problems. <<

I think that might be the key. I didn't worry about problems either, until they happened ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 5:11:47 PM PST
AC Sue says:
So did I, finally. That's why I said that if it weren't for Alf and friends I'd have stopped buying ebooks.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 6:25:54 PM PST
Jerri says:
Well ppcsue if you think you are going to change how licensing works good luck. The Defect by Design movement has not had any success in changing the DRM world. I am not going to quite using Amazon, my computer, my smartphone, my tablets, etc. because of DRM in the highly unlikely event that I might lose some content. Feel free to go fight the battle.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 11, 2012, 7:19:32 PM PST
AC Sue says:
While I obviously disagree with you about the "highly unlikely event" of losing content I neither said nor implied that I think I'm going to change how licensing works.

I do think it will change eventually, though. I see Macmillan/Tor as a hopeful sign of sanity.

I'm speaking only of content, not software. I have no problems with the concept of software licensing, although I think the hoops that have to be jumped through can get ridiculous.
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