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Why I hate the Kindle: By macFanDave


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Initial post: May 23, 2008, 11:44:54 PM PDT
Teninx says:
One more installment in the illustrative history of those who might appeciate the Kindle:

macFanDave says:
Mon Nov 26 16:06:49 PST 2007
Re: Opinion: Why Amazon's Kindle is revolutionary
I'm glad you like it, but I'm betting against it. It is too expensive to take everywhere. You can't put it in your pocket or clip it to your belt or conveniently attached it to yourself like an iPod.

One factor that is often overlooked in the Newton's failure compared to the Palm Pilot's success is the small difference in size. A Palm Pilot fit nicely into a shirt or jacket pocket whereas the Newton was slightly too bulky. The Kindle is too big compared to the optimal portable device, the iPhone. From what I've seen (I haven't seen a Kindle in person), the device is probably not going to go where real books go (or even where iPods go).

Yes, there ARE voracious readers who consume book after book, but most people read a few books a year or less (I heard a statistic that some large number of Americans read two books after high school -- not per year, but for the rest of their lives!!!) There are many more voracious consumers of music and that is why the iPod/iTunes system has been so successful.

Sorry, I don't see it being much more than a niche product with a small cult following. (By comparison, we Mac users have become a mainstream religion having graduated from cult

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008, 6:21:09 AM PDT
I think the name of the original poster (macFanDave) says it all. There were A LOT of apple fans on the website initially who blasted the K left and right, straight out of the box (ummm....or rather, they never OPENED the box, or even ordered it...they just blasted it. lol)

I'm proud to wear the name of cultist and be a voracious reader. My question to macFanDave (if he's still on the site, lol) would be: What's so bad with being a voracious reader, and why feel the need to attack those who are?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008, 6:25:24 AM PDT
P. Laney says:
Congrats on gaining your "religion" status.

And again, why is it exactly that you hate the Kindle? Is it because Apple didn't think of it first?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008, 8:25:30 AM PDT
D. Merrill says:
OK, this is not a terribly bright post. Amazon.com already knows that book reading is pretty much a niche market and that there are smaller niche markets within that market- genre etc. But guess what- that's their audience. Nearly everyone that comes to Amazon.com buys books, owns a computer and reads voraciously. Hell MacFanDave was reading and writing electronically when he came here. He can even spell. I looked at the Kindle and want one because my immediate thought is I don't read magazines or newspapers because their size and delivery system is inconvenient for me on paper or on the web. I would read these things on the Kindle. This sort of thing could save newspaper publishing if the price comes down. I carry a book with me everywhere I go. The Kindle looks that convenient. I've read books on a PDA. This looks better. The only thing stopping me is the price point.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008, 8:40:09 AM PDT
M. Dominguez says:
You forgot the "The Guy Who" factor.
The guy who refuses to give up wearing a bow tie.
The guy who insists the buggy whip will outlive the car.
The guy who insists his 1000 page novel is better because he used an old typewriter.
The guy who felt the Aqueduct made community life impersonal.
The guy who refuses to answer his answering machine.
The guy who went onto the Tivo, Ipods, The Internet, and Netflix forums and bashed those.
The guy who is always wrong!

Love my kindle!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2008, 4:55:17 PM PDT
G. Girard says:
I think this guy is a troll. No one could be so unintentionally stupid.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2008, 7:00:00 PM PDT
Blue Goddess says:
D. Merrill - I have already obtained far more than $360 worth of free books for my kindle, so it has paid for itself ! :) Not to mention, I buy hardbacks, so each book I buy on the bestsellers list saves me at least $5, not to mention shipping charges, or gas charges from online ordering, or driving to the bookstore. And for me, a bookstore is 30 miles away! Go for it!

As for people not carrying it with them....I never even leave the house without mine. I don't care where I am going, I have it on me. It's always there when I need it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2008, 7:46:27 PM PDT
Deborah V says:
Where do you get the free books? From free sites and download? From Amazon? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2008, 8:08:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 5, 2008, 8:10:13 PM PDT
The Blade says:
Deborah,

There are many,many sources for free books. But this thread (more than just the first post) discusses most of them:
http://www.amazon.com/Million-Kindle-books-available-now/forum/FxBVKST06PWP9B/Tx15UAKRX5252A/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B000FI73MA

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2008, 10:24:53 PM PDT
L. Parkinson says:
Check out feedbooks.com and mobileread.com They both have hundreds of old classic books that work on your Kindle.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2008, 11:04:25 PM PDT
The fact remains that they say themselves that some people are voracious readers so why not make a product for them. Just because they are a smaller group does not make them any less important.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 7:06:06 AM PDT
Deborah V says:
Thanks Chama1! Can't wait to start downloading!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 7:18:51 AM PDT
Hmmm...I wonder if Henry Ford worried about...

(1) small user base
(2) very few gas stations
(3) virtually NO repair sites
(4) virtually NO roads
(5) a miniscule number of buyers who could afford one

...when he first sat down to plan out his automobile empire?

And I'm sure Steve Jobs (who I met once) didn't consider the verrrrry longterm impact the Apple would have on society when he and the Woz put that first motherboard together in their garage. Those guys didn't have $1,000 between them and they managed to succeed. My guess is, Amazon has considerably more money to make the Kindle successful, given their "niche" market of 30 million customers.

JFB
(A hardcover & Kindle author)
(Also a long time Mac user)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 8:56:42 AM PDT
WillNYC says:
I am 100 % MAC... Numerous computers, wireless....iPhones, Shuffles, Nano, iPod... and can tell you the experience reading a book/receiving downloads to my Kindle is a great asset. While I agree there is a 'cult' following perception at the moment, I believe Amazon Marketing will kick into gear and gain great market share with this item. I do agree this is not an item for music/video... Apple owns that market for sure... and the PC people should stick to what they know (what exactly?? ) LOL...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 10:49:55 AM PDT
I remember just a few years ago when people didn't understand what an MP3 player was and had never heard of an iPod; however, as we all know now you can't go anywhere without seeing someone with an iPod/iPhone browsing, listening, or watching their media instantaneously. Kindle now gives you that with print media only with easier access to new print media. More and more as I sit in airports, airplanes, restaurants and coffee shops I see people with a Kindle. And if I am the one with the Kindle, I am constantly getting approached with questions and requests to try it much like my first iPod so many years ago. Amazon already has the lead in the pricing and marketing area while the ease of use and purchase capability slams the competition (if you could name any competition). Most importantly, the publishing industry is already well behind Amazon and trusts their copy protection standards, which is the only sure way to win over even more publishing houses and their authors as books can't be "passed" along or "shared". The only thing Amazon has to work on now is the Kindle's fashion sense and maybe a few more options like being able to change the functions of the buttons, button locations, construction materials or improving to maybe a touch interface that you could toggle on or off to save battery life (battery life currently is amazing, but would be cut shorter by such improvements if you couldn't turn them off).

In addition, macFanDave mentions portability as an issue (the first iPod wasn't exactly the mini, let alone the nano)...I don't even understand this pitiful argument. Do people read while their running/working (not reading work material that is)/boating/bicycling/swimming etc..etc..etc.....?? Of course not, reading is not really practical in those situations, but the Kindle is just as portable, if not more than, your typical paperback. My Kindle goes with me wherever I am going that I would normally take a book. Then again, why do I care what macFanDave has said when the guy has never even seen a Kindle in person.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 11:07:31 AM PDT
D. Gray says:
My investigations lead me to believe that the Kindle editions may not be unabridged in general. For example, I wanted to read The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas, it is only available in an abridged format, and it does not say that the edition is abridged. In a search of Kindle editions with the word "unabridged" in the line, I got only 14 books. The books are not clearly labeled at least as to whether they are complete or abridged editions. I think that is false advertising.

I don't have the same complaints that Dave seems to have. The device itself appears to be efficient and it's size is true improvement for those of us who read more than one book at a time, although there seems to be issues with the cover needing some improvement in order to protect buttons, and keep the device securely in place in the cover (see the photos from customers on Kindle page).

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 12:17:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2008, 12:21:55 PM PDT
The Blade says:
D. Gray -

Ummmmm. No. Your "investigations" leave a lot to be desired.

The only books with this kind of problem are those public domain books that have been "republished" by someone other than a reputable publishing house and this is an issue that you will often see in the public domain market. Not just with Kindle. The fact is that the vastly overwhelming majority of books sold by Amazon are not abridged. Those few that are abridged, and published by a reputable company will say that it is abridged.

This issue, and the myth that you are perpetuating, has already been discussed ad nauseum in this forum and the POV expressed in your post has been found to be wanting.

But you are right in that those few books that are abridged and published by John Doe Public to make a few extra bucks off of an unsuspecting and uninformed reader ARE guilty of false advertising. I recommend that anyone who finds such a book report it to Amazon so that it can be dealt with. Additionally, I recommend that people like yourself also mention that fact in the reviews of the book.

I now have several hundred eBooks, not one of which is abridged. FWIW.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 1:12:10 PM PDT
ColorOrange says:
Oh poop-a-scoop. I was almost sold with the comparison of Palm Pilot and Kindle until the "I haven't seen a Kindle in person" part. How do you compare what you've never experienced? I have a Palm Pilot and yes, yes, yes, the capability and portability it has is all that. Problem, it's too small to do some serious reading on. I'm looking for an alternative. I'm doing my research and will try before I buy.

Tell us something about Kindle when you've actually touched it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 4:09:19 PM PDT
My husband is a Mac user and knowing that, YOU guys are a cult unto yourselves. I read an average of 5-9 books a week, and think the Kindle is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Yes, there ARE some Americans that never read a book, open a newspaper, or go to a concert, but then there are the rest of us. I took my Kindle to Europe with all the books I needed for a month..superb. Easy to travel with, small and compact, easy to open on a train, plain or automobile. I love my library but go to bed with my Kindle. Ahhhh sweet!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 4:27:32 PM PDT
Free Books? That is a new one on me. Spill the beans, please. '-) And yes, I am attached at the hip to mine, as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 4:33:22 PM PDT
The Blade says:
Zoe -

I provided a link to all you ever wanted to know about free books for the Kindle earlier in this thread...

;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 4:43:39 PM PDT
Thanks, I should have scrolled further! Wouldn't you know it, the screen on my Kindle just went haywire. No image...just a black screen with streaks. I tried the re-set, but customer support said if it didn't work,they would replace it. Wonder what happens to the ten or so books I haven't read yet?? Will call tomorrow and make arrangements. Yikes!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 4:50:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2008, 5:01:45 PM PDT
books on handhelds already exist. My palm pilot/phone has a variety of fiction, nonfiction, reference books already downloaded on it numbering into the 100's including medical reference texts that are updated whenever I sync my palm. Why would I buy a Kindle? I only looked at this product line as possibly another software I could use to download books. Some Berkeley titles are not available to be downloaded through formats I currently use, but I noted that a title I wished to own was available through Kindle. I currently purchase and download both fiction and nonfiction using Mobipocket, ereader, and adobe reader for palm os. My daughter uses her blackberry for fiction mainly. My college age sons are choosing between blackberry and other platforms or may just keep their cell phones and actual books. My son majoring in engingeering likes the feels of real books when he reads for pleasure as his syllabii and homework is all turned in by internet. My other son is to be a freshman and is undecided, but likes real books as well. Note, all five of my children are readers. My other two also read the real thing mostly because you can trade them around between friends and family. Most books bought on line are encrypted and can not be shared or traded.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2008, 5:13:33 PM PDT
Deborah V says:
Janice, I too have a palm pilot with books on it and an iPhone. BUT to me as a prolific reader, the Kindle is so much better for heavy reading. Larger screen, a variety of font sizes help too. If I'm wearing my contacts I can use a smaller font and if no glasses etc., a large font. I love the Kindle and prefer it for reading over the much smaller screens on the Blackberry/iPhone/PDA.
My biggest issue with Kindle is at this time you can't file your books in folders. When my "reading basket" is backed up, it is hard to find the ones I've not read among those that I have. I'm sure in the future, folders will be an option though.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2008, 11:41:18 AM PDT
p says:
I do not have mine yet but I am already salivating at the idea. I don't understand how it could be "too expensive" to take everywhere? Most books one buys are more than 9.99. As for its size, I am glad that it is not the size of a palm pilot. I don't see too many people reading books that size and would find it absolutely irritating. Not everything should be pocket-sized! Convenience is overrated. Some of the best adventures are the least convenient. Of course, the most "convenient" state is probably death - I think I can take the effort to breath one more day, carry a book larger than a playing card, and move farther than my laptop to meet new people. Another thing, I never considered myself a voracious reader, yet by your description I must be - sometimes reading two books at a time. I do hope you are wrong about the kindle being a niche product - for me - the Mac is.
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