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Initial post: May 14, 2012, 10:52:14 AM PDT
Juan Munoz says:
I am planning to get a Macbook Air soon. Is it a good time to get a Macbook Air? Or should I wait for newer models? I am planning to get one in between June or July.

Posted on May 14, 2012, 12:19:46 PM PDT
The current model is great. I have the i5 128GB version. I'd say if you are waiting till June or July you may as well wait for Ivy Bridge. They may even be ready by then anyway. Ivy Bridge will bring a little better battery life and a good deal better graphics performance. The screen may also get upgraded. The current screen is the best on any ultra book besides maybe the 1600x900 Asus UX31. My advice is to wait and either get a better computer for the same price or this still really great computer for a lower price. Good luck.

Posted on May 14, 2012, 3:11:04 PM PDT
Juan Munoz says:
I think i will wait. I've herd about apple maybe lowering the price for the macbooks airs as well, but if that doesn't happen I'll still get one. thanks!

Posted on May 14, 2012, 8:04:25 PM PDT
Kort says:
Wait, if you can. A newer model is due soon.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012, 6:15:05 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
The Air is pretty objectively a rip off. If you want a Mac, I'd highly advise getting a Pro...assuming they're still even offered post-update. Cheaper and better.

And no, it's a terrible time to buy any Mac because Intel recently released "new" CPUs, so Apple's new PCs should start getting updates at any time.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012, 2:49:00 PM PDT
Zetau says:
@WolfPup

"The Air is pretty objectively a rip off." Please substantiate or state it's just your opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012, 4:24:09 PM PDT
Kort says:
Agreed WP. Sure, it is expensive for what you get, but some may want the features of an Air and are willing to pay a premium for it. Obviously there are quite a few of those folks.

Posted on May 15, 2012, 8:39:34 PM PDT
Lots of folks, being used to inexpensive windows stuff, may not appreciate an 'air' (although Intel is now off their own tail and Pushing these Ultrabooks, as always, copying Apple). Follow the leader. We're expecting a $799 Air in a couple a months. If anyone can do it, Apple can! Believe that.

It's a conundrum, for most windows users, who mostly drool over Apple products, yet find it necessary to call them nasty names, all relating to their price.
Which always comes back to, you get what you pay for!

Always.

P

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 12:48:11 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
There's nothing to "substantiate". It gives you less hardware and less upgrade/repairability for the same or more money. 

<<<Peter Wojciechowski says:
Lots of folks, being used to inexpensive windows stuff, may not appreciate an 'air' (although Intel is now off their own tail and Pushing these Ultrabooks, as always, copying Apple). Follow the leader. We're expecting a $799 Air in a couple a months. If anyone can do it, Apple can! Believe that.>>>

Other companies long since beat apple to that price point, and apple copied others, like Sony and toshiba on the "tiny underpowered overpriced" notebook category. 

<<<Which always comes back to, you get what you pay for!>>>

No, you quite clearly do not. 

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 9:32:46 AM PDT
Zetau says:
@WolfPup

I'll say it for you: it is WolfPup's personal opinion that "The Air is pretty objectively a rip off."
That, with a buck, will get you a cup of coffee.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 10:28:32 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
Wow. So you're unable to read spec sheets and prices.

Or do you have actual support for your claims, aside from just random insults?

Posted on May 16, 2012, 10:46:30 AM PDT
Zetau says:
Spec sheets and prices comparing apples and oranges? What good is that?

What claim did I make; that your statement was a personal opinion. No substantiation provides little to no value.

What random insults? Or do you take it as an insult that I said it was your personal opinion? Confused here.

Everything else: just levity. ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 11:47:55 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 16, 2012, 11:48:21 AM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<Zetau says:
Spec sheets and prices comparing apples and oranges? What good is that?>>>

As you already know, they aren't comparing "apples and oranges", they're comparing the same thing.

<<<What claim did I make; that your statement was a personal opinion. No substantiation provides little to no value.>>>

I realize that, which is why I'd prefer you quit making your random claim unless you can actually back it up. EDIT: But then you're probably another person who gets off on this...*sigh*

Posted on May 16, 2012, 1:04:00 PM PDT
WP;
Respectfully, (because I have that for you, rather than dr), I can only imagine you be comparing Zetau, with dr.

Here's what I would like to add, and, as I said, respectfully.

You can buy two item with 'generally' the same, or close specs.
But, this tells us nothing about intrinsic value, quality/satisfaction, design, or longevity.

In other words, one HD, will outlast another, and let's face it, they all run under different circumstances.

Computer 'W' may last a decade, it's used once or twice a day, maybe 4-5 days / wk.

Computer 'A' maybe on Constantly, used by many different people (employees, say) and have several different setups (Passwords, as that goes, and different software capabilities for each).
Apple has 'fast user switching'.
I have found, that under this type of 'duress' usage, that my Apples/Macs ALWAYS outlaw and outlast any windows machine. The closest I got was an IBM. Good stuff.
(But then, I hated windows) Personal pref. I understand that, I hope you do as well.

Macs are built from higher quality, TOP Quality components, (they're not all the same, even if they are assembled @ the same factory!)

When someone uses their computer exclusively, it's an easy life. Even if it's always on, as mine is. The only time I turn it off, is when a reboot is required due to an update. An easier life, is if it's used intermittently, as a laptop would be.

The Macs (and windows) machines that I owned during my business years, held up well, they all had battery backup and surge protection, until one fateful day, there was a auto crash into an electrical station which resulted in a 'Reversal' in the electricity. That is, both negative and positive feeds, came in positive. OUCH! It even burned out the battery backups, and everything else I had plugged in!
That hurt!

No fault of the machines though.

I find that Macs are superiorly designed, Top quality components chosen and used, and assembly is top notch. If something goes wrong, Nobody out there beats Apple for service, and customer satisfaction.

Now, you're down rating the Air, on an 'early' machine, right?
You prefer windows, so don't use the Air too much. Right?

You have far more rationale than does dr, so I and we have come to expect more relevance from you, while we expect and get NONE from dr.

Hope you're well!

P

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 2:31:55 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<Peter Wojciechowski says:
In other words, one HD, will outlast another, and let's face it, they all run under different circumstances.>>>

Yes, but I don't see what that has to do with the discussion or Zetau's claims. Presumably under this scenario the PC in question will be used identically regardless of whether it's a Macbook Air or Pro (or something else for that matter).

<<<Apple has 'fast user switching'.>>>

Microsoft's had it years longer, though I don't know what that has to do with the Pro versus the Air.

<<<I have found, that under this type of 'duress' usage, that my Apples/Macs ALWAYS outlaw and outlast any windows machine.>>>

And i've seen dozens or hundreds of PCs, probably 9/10ths from venders other than Apple, and the vast majority hold up just fine.

And again, I have no idea what that has to do with Zetau's claims.

<<<Macs are built from higher quality, TOP Quality components>>>

Okay, again, I have no idea what this claim has to do with Zetau's claims, but they're objectively NOT higher quality as we can see from Consumer Reports reliability data. They're also objectively NOT built from different components, unless you're counting the case, which I'd say is a negative for their notebooks.

But none of that has anything to do with Zetau's claims.

<<<An easier life, is if it's used intermittently, as a laptop would be.>>>

And as you know, I have multiple PCs running 24/7 at 100%, year in and year out, plus dozens more at any time at least handling the basics for people...and this still has nothing to do with the Macbook Air versus the Pro.

Sorry about that power screw up, that would have stunk!

Posted on May 16, 2012, 2:52:23 PM PDT
Zetau says:
@ WolfPup

What claim of mine are you referring to? I made no claims here.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 5:00:01 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
Of course you did. You claimed you can't compare specs across different PCs, for some reason. And you claimed the Macbook Air isn't a bad deal next to the Pro.

Posted on May 16, 2012, 6:04:36 PM PDT
Zetau says:
@ WolfPup

On both accounts, you are misquoting me.

> You said: "You claimed you can't compare specs across different PCs, for some reason. "
> I said: "Spec sheets and prices comparing apples and oranges? What good is that?" I made a different statement than you said, and I finished it with a question. If you answered the question, I presume it would be, "There's a lot of good to it," and my answer would be, "it's just part of the buying process." You missed the question.

If I compared a Mercedes and a Lexus, wouldn't that be comparing "apples to oranges"?

> You said: "And you claimed the Macbook Air isn't a bad deal next to the Pro."
> I never even mentioned the Pro, which is one of my Macs.

>You stated: "The Air is pretty objectively a rip off." I think it's easy to see that the Air is making a profit for Apple, since Apple does not continue to sell non-profitable products. If they were truly a "rip off", the market would support you ... it doesn't.

And your bold statement that it's "objectively a rip off" means that it does not include your personal opinion. "Subjectively" would have been grammatically correct. It was just your opinion. That's what I said and stand by.

And you likely haven't heard the gossip, but the Pro line is going more in the direction of the Air. That's not my opinion, nor is it a statement of fact, it's just hearsay.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 6:11:41 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<Zetau says:
On both accounts, you are misquoting me.

I said: "Spec sheets and prices comparing apples and oranges? What good is that?" I made a different statement than you said>>>

Okay, now I'm assuming you're just a troll. Wasn't sure. Yes, you did not literally use those exact words, and of course I never claimed you did. You did however use that meaning.

So first you say something blatantly false, get called on it, claim you never said it, then claim "oh I used different words".

Uh huh. Not suspicious at all.

<<<If I compared a Mercedes and a Lexus, wouldn't that be comparing "apples to oranges"?>>>

No.

<<<> I never even mentioned the Pro, which is one of my Macs.>>>

Word games again. Ugh, how many of you are there? If you're not a troll, you'll deal with what was actually said by you or by me, not playing ridiculous word games of "I didn't use those exact words!"
<<<I think it's easy to see that the Air is making a profit for Apple, since Apple does not continue to sell non-profitable products. If they were truly a "rip off", the market would support you ... it doesn't.>>>

Ah, now we're at crazed Apple Fanboi mode. Yes, clearly no product that gets sold can possibly be a rippoff. Hmm, are you crazed Apple Fanboi 12c, or just a troll? Or both?

<<<And your bold statement that it's "objectively a rip off" means that it does not include your personal opinion.>>>

Right you are. That's why I used "objectively a rip off".

Posted on May 16, 2012, 6:15:54 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 6:23:16 PM PDT
Zetau says:
@ WolfPup

Game over.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 6:28:25 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
<<<Selcien says:
The "less hardware" bit is moot.>>>

Ridiculous and you know it. Why did you even write this?

<<<Anyone looking to buy an Air simply needs to be aware of it's limitations, and make sure that it can do what they need it to do before they buy it.>>>

And the target market is whom, the extremely feeble? Those who can heft 3 or 4 pounds but not five? That seems a very limited market. Most are just drawn in by styling or the like.

<<<Quite an incredible feat considering that Zetau never even mentioned the Pro.>>>

He most certainly did implicitly. that was the initial thing he was responding to me about. if his claim wasn't talking about the pro, then his post was incoherent and entirely pointless.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 6:28:58 PM PDT
WolfPup says:
Wow. Would you please go away? Seriously, your garbage and nonsense aren't appreciated.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012, 7:04:01 PM PDT
[Deleted by the author on May 17, 2012, 6:13:23 PM PDT]

Posted on May 16, 2012, 7:52:08 PM PDT
Juan Munoz,
I hope that you are not getting caught up in this disagreement. I'm not sure what it has to do with your original post. You asked if you should wait to buy an air and were told that yes you should wait until Ivy Bridge. You then said OK.
If you are in the market for an Ultrabook as opposed to a full sized laptop then you probably know that there are tradeoffs in power for light weight, battery life, and style. The Windows market for Ultrabooks currently has two products that I would consider are worth looking into. They are the Asus UZ31 ASUS UX31 13-Inch Laptop [2011 model] and the HP Folio 13 HP Folio 13-1020US 13.3-Inch Ultrabook (Steel Gray) Another well reviewed option is the 14 inch HP Envy Spectre that lists for 1400.
Here is how these two computers compare to the MB Air:
SSD: all are 128GB
Screen size: all are 13.3"
Weight: all about 3lbs
Price: HP 870 , ASUS 1100 , MB Air 1260
Battery life: HP gets around 7 hrs while ASUS & Air get around 6
Processor: Asus & Air have an i5 that clocks up to 2.7, while the HP's i5 only goes to 2.3
USB: Air only has two 2.0 ports, While Asus & HP also have a 3.0 port. Rumors suggest the next Mac laptops will include 3.0 as it is built into Intels Ivy Bridge chipset.
Thunderbolt: Intel's high speed (basically external PCI Express) port is only on the Air. Hopefully this years Windows machines will include this port as it is now built into Ivy Bridge. This will bring prices on ThunderBolt periphrials down.
To me the most important aspects of a laptop are the keyboard, trackpad and screen. The Asus has a nice 1600x900 screen. The Air has a nice 1440x900 screen. The HP has a ho-hum 1366x768 screen.
Reviews of the Asus claimed that the trackpad and keyboard were awful, while many users have since claimed that these both have been fixed with updates.
I believe anyone who has spent time with a Mac laptop appreciates how much better the multitouch glass trackpad is to anything else on the market.
Is the Air worth 160 more than the Asus? The decision I made was yes. I really like Mac trackpads and the way OSX works. As an adult returning to college I needed a laptop to bring to school with me, and it is a perfect companion. I encode video, work with Office, do assignments in AutoCAD, and do light gaming on it. I never bring my power cord and it does not weigh down my bag at all. I find iMovie, Garageband, and iPhoto to be really useful and have not found "free" alternatives that are equally as good on my windows machines. I also love the way Time Machine works to backup my laptop. I really love not doing the weekly maintenance on my machine that are a part of the Windows experience.
Is the Macbook Pro more computer for less money? Yes. It gives you a higher speed CPU, an optical drive, the ability to have much more RAM, and a nice IPS screen. You can also upgrade it later (as much as you can upgrade any laptop - RAM & HDD). It also gets about an hour or two more battery life.
In practice the Air feels faster computer due to it's SSD. It also has a higher resolution screen. Yes, you can add an SSD to the Pro. In fact theres some really great reliable 120GB drives out now for about 1 dollar per GB.
I chose the Air over the Pro because I wanted the form factor. I've have had many laptops over the years and learned that for me the smaller the better. At one point I had a monster sized 3.0GHz Pentium 4 Sager that weighed about 10 pounds.
These Ultrabooks and the Air are the first time in my opinion that a real laptop is available in a small size for a good price with good battery life.
I am not a fanboy of anything other than good products. I have a nicely specced Windows machine that I'm typing on right now. It has a 2500K, 8GB Ram, 128GB Crucial M4 SSD, Radeon 7770 GPU. It's great, but if I had to choose to betweem it or my Air, it would be the Air.
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