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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2010, 8:25:56 AM PST
B.P. - encouragements and thanks to your husband, and hope he's feeling better soon! CRE - rofl at "am sure that universe needs a man witty enough to make yaoi pitcher/catcher jokes right after his heart attack!" I second that. Hmm - 'rats in the engine' sounds a lot like 'bats in the belfry'. Although I empathize with the expense and massive inconvenience, I'm also feeling sad for the rats... I second the recommendation for Saiunkoku, too.

Re: Finder - when I got the old BB book I put it in the closet and didn't read it for months because I was not in the mood for unpleasant stuff. After reading it and happily ever after, it is one of my favorite series. "Plants in Love" is wonderful. The end story of V1 (where Asami visits Akihito at his place) is where I picture their mutual fascination really becoming something more compelling. Very dark, but the progression of the story and characters (Fei Long) are unforgettable to me.

I've been waiting around for amazon to catch up on the releases one day, but I did give in and get Ze 6 from akadot, and D.L.Maniac. Too bad I don't want to sell All You Need is Love to pay for the extra akadot costs... A month or so ago in a small browsers' paradise of a bookstore I found an old copy of 'Rising Storm' by Yuzuha Ougi - maybe I could sell that, but I'd rather keep it too. Reading 'Treasure' V1 at the moment, and have a nice surplus of new things to read after. I guess I should especially savor this season of plenty since who knows how the YO bill will affect things. At least I can always reread Finder... and Crimson Spell. Hope everyone's staying warm, wherever you live!

Posted on Dec 14, 2010, 10:42:21 AM PST
P. Rothwell says:
Thought I'd look up All you Need is Love 1 on Amazon UK, because every now and again you'll find a bargain lurking in this farflung outpost of Yaoi fandom. Result - currently going for $115 (equivalent) this side of the Atlantic. What the hell?...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2010, 10:49:11 AM PST
C. R. Emery says:
that is just wrong. it is a good story, not a Great Story! crying all night!

Posted on Dec 14, 2010, 12:05:30 PM PST
DL says:
All You Need is Love Vol. 1

Don't know if this is a good place to shop or not, but I found the book here at a discounted price:

http://www.deepdiscount.com/additional-25-off-graphic-novels/all-you-need-is-love-1/

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 4:21:11 AM PST
P. Rothwell says:
Hey all, it's the bad news fairy again! You-know-what has passed and is now law in Tokyo. Woo! See you down at the book burning...

Best source on this seems to be http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-assembly-passes-bill-156-anti-anime-and-manga-bill-is-now-law/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 5:26:44 AM PST
Mythago 2005 says:
Paul - Do you think that the Japanese mind set is such that this cancer is likely to spread to a major portion of the country? I would hate to think that everything coming out of Japan from now on is going to be catbuses and talking fish.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 7:24:28 AM PST
Jo says:
Wow. I don't even know how to respond. As a librarian, I'm totally against this sort of censoring/regulation to begin with, but I would imagine most people would be uncomfortable with this degree of control over publishing mixed with it's vague definitions. And, from the blog Paul linked us to, it sounds like there was an outcry from the public...I'd like to find hope in that.

It will be interesting to see how the voting broke down. Was it a close passing? Did they barely squeak this into existance? Or was it a landslide "victory" for the politicians? I think those numbers (if we ever hear them) will be a good indicator of how long a law like this can exist...

Will this have any effect on yaoi/bl/whatever titles already licensed by American companies but not yet published?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 12:48:38 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2010, 12:50:21 PM PST
P. Rothwell says:
Hey Jo/Mythago

I'm still really confused by the whole business. The wording of both the bill and the coverage is so vague. On the one hand it talks about 'restricting' the sale of potentially 'harmful' material to minors. But so far as I can see that happens already. If you go into any of the major manga/anime retailers in Tokyo they all have clearly signposted '18+ only' sections and the titles sold there have age restrictions printed on them in Japanese and English. But then there seems to be the likelihood of the very vagueness of the wording giving sociopaths like Governor Ishihara free rein to apply the law to anything they don't like the look of.

In reality of course this would be a costly and time consuming process, given the volume of output from these industries. I suspect the idea is to frighten publishers into playing very safe with the 'older teen' bracket products to avoid the threat of recalling/destroying stock or souring their relationships with distributors/retailers. If they go ahead and produce stuff uncut with an 18+ tag then Amazon Japan won't touch it and the potential market for those products is severely restricted, even on the high street. Less stuff gets produced, publishers make less money and some may well go to the wall.

The feeling is that this law will be unenforceable and wouldn't be backed up by the national government if cases went to a higher court. Apparently Tokyo's legislature is known to be very right wing. That's some small measure of comfort I suppose.

It amazes me that Ishihara is a three-term governor. Someone who makes the kind of flaky outbursts that he does would get press in the UK but be pushed right to the margins. His statements would also be actionable under UK law. Did anyone catch the gem about women who live beyond reproductive age being sinful?? An utter lunatic...

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 7:14:29 PM PST
DL says:
As for this new law in Tokyo, I'm afraid the most we can do is adopt a wait and see attitude. As one person on an internet discussion put it, I'm not Japanese, I have no influence over Japanese policy/politics or money to purchase such. We will pretty much have to just discuss, lament and/or wait for the best. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all the 'worst-case' scenarios I've seen discussed do not happen.

On another crappy note, my work computer has a virus. I'm on the family computer waiting for the malware program to finish running on my baby while keeping my fingers crossed it can ferret out the invader. What really p.o.'s me off is that I just renewed my virus protection with McAfee. 75 bucks for what? A virus scan that tells me everything is fine while some virus keeps throwing up fake virus alerts while trying to connect me to porno.com. What a waste of money.

While I've been running virus scans and malware scans etc etc. I reread The Sky Over My Spectacles, Sensitive Pornagraph and Just Around the Corner. The Sky Over My Spectacles is a pleasant read, nothing too earthshaking. There's one story I find rather annoying, one of those non con/now I love you things, but fortunately it's a short story and not the main focus of the book. Sensitive Pornagraph has never been one of my favorites, I think I keep it mostly for the smut or because of the dvd which I kind of like. Just Around the Corner by Toko Kawaii is a book I really like, though I tend to like everything she does.

I hope my virus problem gets quickly solved. I only had a few more paragraphs to finish my book and I'm already behind my deadline. I was going to finish it this evening and here I am, goofing off again, albiet involuntarily. Oh well.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 8:14:51 PM PST
yousei says:
Some good points made there Paul and DL about the Tokyo legislation issue. We'll just have to see.

DL - good luck with getting your computer cleaned up. I use a combo of ESET NOD 32 Antivirus and Malware Bytes and that seems to keep most things in check. But it is very frustrating when one's antivirus says all is well, and you have to go the anti-malware to get rid of the stupid thing. But then again, I don't understand these things, I just don't want them on my computer...

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 8:20:55 PM PST
Jo says:
okay, yeah, that kind of fits with my jumbled thoughts about this. That more of the damage could be in the publishers overcompensating and "prepolicing" the books so they can be assured of a product with no problem. Actually, I guess we've already seen some of that with those mangaka who were quoted the other day about not having school uniforms and the like in their books. hmm.

On a brighter note, I've been reading No One Loves Me (Yaoi) today and I'm really liking it. I'm not even sure what it is that is appealing to me...not hardcore, but there are definitly love scenes...hmm. Perhaps it's that it's a longer book and the mangaka explores the relationship more in depth after they get together...anyone else cracked this open yet?

Also! If anyone is looking for a fantastic book for a preschooler, check out Stop Bugging Me: That's What Friends Are For (A Smudge Book). Totally fun. : )

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2010, 5:22:15 AM PST
C. R. Emery says:
yes we have mcafee on family computer and as far as I can tell, did zip-all, had a repair bill last year, for about 100 bucks, for a virus icon that sprouted up that looked exactly like the mcafee, PRECISELY...and when it was apparently still there the next day, phoned for explanation and was told to just not click on it...grrr

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2010, 5:24:56 AM PST
C. R. Emery says:
But I do like SP, especially the story about long ago lovers, one "had" to get married and is now a widower with twin babies. sweet I thought.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2010, 8:29:43 AM PST
DL says:
yousei - Malware Bytes is an angel of a program. With its help I was able to get my baby clean and virus free. I've been running the free version but think I will purchase so I get automatic updates etc. I had to uninstall the old version and reinstall the newest free version in safe mode to get it to run but that did the trick along with doing a system restore to a check point prior to infection. Was up till 5 a.m. getting everything squared away. Can always count on spending 8-10 hours running back and forth between uninfected computer and infected one trying to find solutions, downloading cleanup options etc etc. It's definitely a challenge as I'm no computer expert. Suppose it's good exercise for the brain, but I'm always exhausted by the time I'm done. :)

C.R. - I love that little story in Sky Over Spectacles about the widower with the twins. Definitely sweet. I wouldn't have minded a more extended version of that one. Lots of potential for a real emotionally engaging tear jerker with a well-deserved, happily ever after there. It was nice as is, but could have been so much more.

Jo - I love, No One Loves Me by Yugi Yamada! She gives her characters such depth and the story layers of intricacies that I find fascinating. This is gonna sound so stupid, but truly, this mangaka just delights me with her work. Her books are among my very favorites. A lot of her works, for me, are rich with emotional intensity and when she mixes that with that beautiful dry, low-key humor she does so well it becomes such a winning combination. She can also do humor that's almost slapstick in nature as well which shows her versitility and the erotic content, when it's there, is nothing to sneeze at. Yamada is definitely on my top 10 list of favorite mangakas.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2010, 11:46:06 AM PST
J. R. Brown says:
@ P. Rothwell: "The wording of both the bill and the coverage is so vague. On the one hand it talks about 'restricting' the sale of potentially 'harmful' material to minors. But so far as I can see that happens already."

The part of the bill that has everyone up in arms is an expansion of the subject matter that make a work "harmful". The old law's regulated topics are explicit sex, sadistic violence, incitement of criminal behavior and the glorification of suicide; the new law adds "sex acts that would be illegal in real life" and "sexual relations between persons who could not legally marry" (in Japan), if they are "unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated".

So topics like rape, incest, relationships where one party is a minor (which is under 20, in Japan), love affairs between step-siblings, and probably homosexuality, will now be subject to scrutiny in all manga, anime and games without an 18+ rating. Novels and live-action film are exempt.

There's other questionable parts to the bill, like a provision that makes it more difficult for parents to exempt their child from mandatory internet filtering on cell phones used by minors. But the expansion of "harmful" subject matter is the big issue du jour.

Posted on Dec 16, 2010, 3:52:38 PM PST
indigo says:
Re: Close The Last Door Volume 1 (Yaoi) (Close the Last Door!) (v. 1): I just love Nagai and Honda. My favorite scene is where Honda says, "Let me see!" Nagai then says, "Is staring at a naked man really that much fun?" and Honda replies, "It is." Also, when the beer is used as a cop-out, and Nagai's fascination with Honda's back. This is soft yaoi, but the story is so good. I couldn't wait so I ordered Close the Last Door 2 and Tyrant 2 from Akadot. They've been shipped and should get here early next week.
I'm glad to hear about No One Loves Me (Yaoi). I might order that later. I did like Dry Heat. I do prefer explicit but some of my favorites aren't.

I like Sky over my Spectacles, Sensitive Pornograph (and DVD) , and I think I own Just around the Corner, but don't remember the plot offhand.
I also have Malwarebytes and Microsoft Security Essentials.

Posted on Dec 16, 2010, 4:06:11 PM PST
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Niki says:
It is back to back Yugi Yamada for me. Love Open The Door To Your Heart (Yaoi) which is of course about the older Honda brothers (no.1 & no. 2). So for us who love Close the last door, this one is a must! The chapter where Kenzo and Nagai meets the two older brothers is just pure fun. And that little story "Diary of a domestic help" is really something. Short but so effective. 75% into No One Loves Me (Yaoi) and it is lovely. Next is Close the Last Door 2 :)

Posted on Dec 16, 2010, 5:01:35 PM PST
indigo says:
R. Parklane, I did not know that Open the Door to Your Heart was part of the Close the Last Door world. Thanks for the info.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2010, 6:04:11 AM PST
C. R. Emery says:
this from right stuf about new releases coming. including wallflower 25!! no familiar yaoi though that I see. crossing fingers

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The first wave of Del Rey series continuing under the Kodansha Comics imprint includes Air Gear (volume 19, August 2011), Arisa (volume 2, July 2011), Fairy Tale (volume 13, May 2011), I Am Here! (volume 2, July 2011), Negima (volume 29, May 2011), Negima!? Neo (June 2011), Ninja Girls (volume 5, May 2011), Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei (volume 9, June 2011), Shugo Chara! (volume 10, May 2011), and The Wallflower (volume 25, June 2011).

Posted on Dec 18, 2010, 8:06:37 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 18, 2010, 8:11:46 AM PST
DL says:
I reread Vols 1-6 of Ze over the last two days. Isn't it funny how you seem to notice and understand more with each reading? There are so many mysteries waiting to be solved here. At least it seems to me.

Shoui and Asari have an interesting story and from certain hints, if I've not misunderstood, it seems like Asari doesn't believe he'll be around much longer. I wonder why?

Kotoha seems to have a dark past as well and from the looks of it, Konoe, Kotoha's kami seems to have rescued him from some situation in which he spent a long time in the dark. Don't know if this is figuratively or literally. Hope we are given their story and the truth is revealed.

Then there's the mysterious doll maker Waki. He definitely has a story to tell. What's in the chest? Who is Riichi whom he once mentioned to Asari? Why is he so focused on Kon, saying it was the right decision to create him? Is there something special about Kon? Waki's so fixated on the kami's responses to their kotodama sama, and seems to find hope in each kami's growing humanity. Does anyone else think Waki, the man who creates kami, but is not allowed to be paired with one, perhaps at one time loved a kami and is maybe hoping to recreate this kami and gain his love in return? This is really a fascinating, fun and sensual series.

Posted on Dec 18, 2010, 8:10:27 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 18, 2010, 8:13:34 AM PST
DL says:
Continued from the post above in case this one gets deleted, lol!

The thought of that stupid Tokyo ordinance interferring with us receiving future volumes of Ze and other wonderful series is just maddening. I always feel a little breathless waiting for new yaoi to come out, especially ones that continue series I love. Now rather than breathless, I'll be gasping for air until the next volume is safely in my hands.

I'm considering buying the Japanese releases of Vols 7-10 of Ze as well as any other books I don't want to miss just in case that homophobic idiot, Ishihara begins to advocate and institute book burning. After all, his ordinance might prevent the future production of those manga he rails against, but it won't make the ones that are already out there disappear. Honestly, don't you think fanatics like him have their neuroses based in real life experience? His son probably plays lots of fapping games and Ishihara is jealous cause he's stuck with a bag of a wife who keeps such a close watch on him he can't buy games of his own. Or, the sweet young (male) thing he made advances to turned him down flat and now he's got it in for all homosexuals 'cause he couldn't get any.

Just being mean here but when my precious books are threatened, striking out is an impulse hard to resist. Even though this puny strike won't help, it makes me feel better.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 18, 2010, 11:16:42 AM PST
T. LaPonte says:
Well, every single one of your intrigues about Ze is answered in future volumes. I won't spoil any details for you, but you're surprisingly close to grasping what's in store and what's been in the past for these guys. The "Riichi" that Waki mentions is the grandfather to the current generation of kotodamashi living in the house with Waki (the brothers and sister). Up to the currently localized point in the story, we know his name, that he had three kami (Asari, Konoe and a third that has since been revealed in the serialized Japanese chapters) and that he was incredibly powerful. We get to meet and learn all about him and Waki in the currently serializing arc of the series.

Posted on Dec 18, 2010, 12:24:38 PM PST
yousei says:
Really need to pick up Ze 6!!

Posted on Dec 18, 2010, 2:24:04 PM PST
indigo says:
DL, You read my mind with Ze. I noticed all those things you mentioned as I reread the series each time I get a new volume. My favorite character is Asari and someone mentioned his story is coming up in the future.
I also hope the current flow of yaoi is not disrupted by the legislation.

Posted on Dec 18, 2010, 7:08:48 PM PST
Galetoo says:
Just purchased a couple of books at the Yaoi Club site and noted a statement that when I'm billed for them it will say Akadot. Went to the Akadot site and noticed that they now have a tab for BookOff. BookOff is the used book store where I purchased a large portion of my Yaoi books for half off or less. Now, when I go into BookOff, they have a huge selection of June books with some DokiDoki and 801 thrown in and the prices are higher than they used to be. Only 2-3 dollars off the retail price. The store tells me they're buying from the publishers directly. The cheaper books are from people who'd bring their books in to sell.

All the above might explain why Yaoi Club got a June exclusive a while back and why Akadot had a large number of tables of June/DMP books at Yaoi Con. It would seem there's some kind of merging going on. Maybe I'm only just noticing it and it has been the way all along. I see this as both a good and not-so-good thing. Good in that the monies go directly to the publisher, keeping them in business, and not-so-good as I can no longer find inexpensive books like I used to.

Also, will something like this cause other publishers to fall by the wayside? It seems BLU, Kitty Media and DramaQueen are putting out fewer books. I've also noticed that my other sources for Yaoi recently seem to have fewer of the new books and Amazon's selection of the new books seems to be coming out months later than the Akadot supply. Any thoughts?
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