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Metal Injection article: THE SWORD Does Not Want You Moshing At Their Shows

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Initial post: Nov 28, 2012 1:22:50 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
Regardless of whether or not you like The Sword - I post this to discuss the principle of the matter...


Moshing... it can be fun, but lately I personally find it to be more of nuisance. I want to see the band, so I try to get up close, but I can't stand too close to the center, because a pit will break out. And, the last thing I want is to be punched in the face. I want to actually enjoy the band.

Looks like vocalist J.D. Cronise of The Sword agrees with me.

Speaking to Decibel Magazine, J.D. revealed that the band actually wrote their new material with moshing in mind, in that the songs were specifically devoid of any "mosh" parts:

It has occurred to me multiple times over the years that we've been playing live that when I hear `Battery' by Metallica, my instinct is not to put my head down, run in a circle and shove people around me. That to me seems bizarre and kind of silly. When other people hear songs like that, that is what their instinct is to do. To me, that takes away from a musical performance when there's accomplished, talented musicians onstage performing songs for you; to engage in this totally unrelated physical activity to me is disrespectful, in a way, to the rest of the audience that doesn't want to do that, and to the band on stage that are trying to perform for you. We kind of wanted to dial back the thrashiness a little bit in the hopes that people would sit still (laughs) to a degree. Still rock out and bang their heads and enjoy the show, but not take it to such an extreme, adrenalized level where they kind of act like lunatics.

That's a pretty serious commitment to lack of moshing. The Sword prefer headbanging, massive headbanging and I tend to agree. You can read JD's elaboration over at Decibel.

How do you feel about moshing? Is it so 2004? Or is moshing here to stay forever?

facebook responses:

Moshing has nothing to do with enjoying the band. It's simply several idiots who aren't getting laid, and need to vent their frustration. Shows are way too expensive these days for a few jerks to ruin everyone's experience. Enjoy the music and quit forcing yourself on those around you, you morons.

moshing is for people that are so dumb they arent even capable of just headbanging to a beat, so they get so aggrivated at doing something so simple and feel so stupid, that they ahve to mosh, lol FACT

Moshing is for people who don't go to shows to actually watch bands. Its pretty lame glad the Sword agrees!

My response:

Moshing is not ignoring the performance or being disrespectful to the band. There is an energy unleashed from the songs themselves, people thrive on that energy and moshing is a way to ride that shit out.

You think I'm ignoring the band when I mosh? Quite the contrary. I am very much embracing what the band is doing, and moshing is a sign that the crowd and I are digging their set.

Been that way for a long time. You wanna go up front? You're gonna get squeezed and pushed. You wanna stay in the middle? You might get near the pit action. You wanna stand and watch? Then stick to the sides or the back. That is just how it goes.

I don't HAVE to mosh at every show. When I don't feel like it, I stay away from the dudes that do. When I'm down to get crazy, I get in there.

What do you guys think?

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 2:14:43 PM PST
Moshing is fun for the youngsters; but it's a cliche (so 1988) and it doesn't have to be done. Doing it at every show, doesn't make it an act of rebellion.

On the other hand. As long as the band gets their money, what do they care what the audience does? The Sword? Big deal. If I'm seeing Slayer, I want people to bleed, it's part of the show.

I quit getting on the floor years ago; because, I have a short fuse in crowds and I will want to kill someone who jacks me, even if it's an accident. For me, it's sit in the seats and safely watch the mayhem. (Actually I've not be to a metal show in years, cause the wife ain't into it at all)

I have no idea how The Sword thinks their going to stop moshing at their shows. I've seen people mosh to Primus, very slowly. And, by complaining, they've just put themselves on the "moshpit required" list.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 2:45:02 PM PST
mitch says:
This very much all depends on the band. There's always going to be moshing at a Slayer show for example, it's a huge part of the show. I know for a fact most bands do not think the way The Sword does, in that they seeing moshing as an insult to the band. Most thrash bands encourage moshing and write mosh parts intentionally. Mille from Kreator encourages the pit between almost every song. Anthrax used to make it part of their setlist to chant Mosh for crine out loud. It's very easy to avoid the pit if you do not want to be it. Thrash is the genre were moshing is the mainstay. Most other genres do not get too much of it. I find it interesting that it bugs J.D Cronise so much that he actually is changing the way he writes songs to avoid having pits!!! Outrageous . I saw the Sword open for Metallica, and there was not one person in that crowd moshing as I recall. If he hates the moshing so much, maybe he should go back to being the slightly heard of opening band then.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 2:48:22 PM PST
A customer says:
Oh, shut the f__k up, "The Sword". Your music sucks ass anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 3:15:03 PM PST
It really doesn't strike me as moshing music......maybe they are using reverse psychology.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 3:27:13 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012 3:28:03 PM PST
Bobage says:
That rarely stops anyone from moshing anyway. That's really what kills me is when it's so out of place and the music nowhere near inspires physical contact. Death metal, Slayer, yeah, it fits. There were d-bags trying to mosh to Katatonia & Devin Townsend when I saw that show. So lame and forced. I'm with Mitch. If you're pompous enough to alter your writing style to try and keep people from moshing at your shows, you need to be severely moshed.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 3:39:09 PM PST
mitch says:
The most out of place pit I ever witnessed was Saint Vitus, but it only lasted for about 20 seconds. Usually the music has to support it, or it's lack of sense destroys it's existence quickly. Ya moshing to Katatonia and D.T. reeks of dbag. How bout the dudes moshing to Joe Cocker at the Woodstock part 2 show some years back.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 5:09:43 PM PST
A customer says:
Now that I've collected my thoughts, I can offer up a more mature, thought-provoking response:

If a porno producer suddenly wanted everyone to stop spankin' it to his movies and made a conscious decision to not put anything remotely jerk-worthy in future titles, would it not defeat the purpose? The Sword may as well have come out and said "we're not gonna play extreme metal any more". I know they're more on the stoner side of things, but still. Flat-out saying they're going *out of their way* to not make any "moshable" music, it would be more effective for them to go out on stage, plant their thumbs comfortably in their ear canals, eyes squeezed shut, and wiggle their piggies to and fro whilst blowing great, big, ripe raspberries. Sloppy, wet ones, the kind where the tongue visibly undulates. Actually, never mind, that would be considerably less lame their seemingly unwavering commitment to making perfectly respectable moshers feel like a$$holes. Way to go, guys. Way to go. Like, totally, horns up.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 7:16:26 PM PST
mitch says:
If only Paul Baloff was still alive, he'd hunt down The Sword and skin them alive, bar-b-q them, and eat them with a side of Jack Daniels and a crushed pill on a dollar bill.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 5:12:44 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 7:30:54 AM PST
I like the earlier post, before you collected your thoughts (chemically enhanced I presume).

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 7:25:31 AM PST
Ash Krueger says:
I'm personally not into moshing and find it rather unnecessary. However, I do realize it pretty much comes with the territory at a metal show. It's bound to happen so I don't rave about it too much. I just bang my head, throw the horns, occasionally sing along, and enjoy the show. Most of the time, it's just a step back to avoid being caught in the craziness. There have been times where I have been kicked in the back, had beer land on me, or been shoved pretty hard not by moshers but by people just moving back to avoid the moshing. Again, I kind of shake it off and get my eyes back on the stage. A couple times I have literally thrown a few skinny scraggly kids back into the pit because they came bouncing into us. They just love it though, think I'm participating. Anyway, good stuff. I don't mosh but to sum it all it up, I expect it and try not to be a buzzkill. I've dealt with a few health issues in my life and I hurt quite a bit but I love my metal so it's worth coming out. Live and let live.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 10:18:37 AM PST
Ive never been much for mosh pits, but Ive never really cared if they start up either. Its just part of going to a metal show. On the other hand, I think there's a special place in hell for people who try to mosh to doom metal

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 10:31:16 AM PST
mitch says:
doom metal it's best to just stand there drunk in a trance like state and nod your head

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 12:51:01 PM PST
Ash Krueger says:
I don't drink but I completely agree with that statement. That's totally me at a doom show. Just soaking it in.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 1:24:44 PM PST
I think if you are a seasoned metal concert goer then you need to pick the show and venue where you can stand and watch or jump into the pit. Some shows that bring out the 40 plus crowd do not pit it up as much as the younger bands might do. The youngsters need to respect the old crowd show and like wise for the older goers who see a young new band. If you want to watch a show then maybe if you show up early enough to find a strategic spot to stand and not get pulled into the pit then that is what it takes. examples of when I saw Diamond Head last year, all old school headbanging and fists in the air no pit of any sort. but when bands like arch enemy play it is just awesome mayhem on the floor. I myself do not go near the pit since my wife comes with me to all the shows since she loves metal also. I also do not need to get hurt and miss work because of a mishap. Years back a few places had an area for the pit near the back so they could let loose and not bother the people up front who wanted to watch and enjoy just good metal. For most people as they get older they do not have a head full of piss and vinegar so they start to ease of. But remember most of us at an early age had to work up a little sweat. so yes mosh pits are here to stay as a right of passage into metal music.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 2:50:40 PM PST
there is no need for a mosh pit at all....i pay my hard earned money to SEE the band i love up close and in person, not to be pushed around and bumped into repeatedly by a bunch of cavemen like morons that think it's cool to run in a circle and hit each other...if you want to do that, then get some of your buddies over, and pop on a cd then run around like that. you can't really see the band and experience the full experience of a concert while running around like a tool...

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 3:57:03 PM PST
Justin G. says:
Pits don't bother me as long as there's plenty of room for those of us who don't want to throw down. If you're packed in at a sold-out show, a pit can become an involuntary thing, and that's not cool.

I dig the Sword, but I can't imaging anyone moshing to them.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 4:28:54 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 4:49:47 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
Dude - I respect that position, but come on - put a cd on and mosh? Don't you at least recognize maybe why folks would want to circle pit and mosh to the songs live? Exodus playing A Lesson in Violence? Testament playing Into the Pit or Trial By Fire? Anthrax during Cry for The Indians when they scream 'War Dance'? I mean - that shit packs a pretty high energy level - live - when they play it right in front of us - and it is fun to move around to it.

When there are a lot of people circle pitting - it is pretty fun to get in there. Not just trying to level each other, but frantically mosh in a circle with other thrashers in a big energetic frenzy of FUN. That shit is pretty exciting. It's pretty much jamming out like crazy - its fun. I headbang my a s s off the whole set, I mosh when I want to. I mean if you guys start to say I'm not there for the band cuz I headbanged the whole time and didn't watch a single solo that's a little ridiculous if you ask me.

I mean, I can speak for shows around where I live, and, everyone moves from the middle because that is where people will mosh. Don't wanna do it, just stand to the side or behind it. You wanna get in there - jump on in. Every show - all the time. Some nights I'm not feelin up to it so I just watch back from the pit a bit.

Up front pit or no you're gonna get all squeezed and shit cuz its up front - that always happens.

A lot of times the bands like it when they see movement. I don't buy the whole - not getting the whole concert experience by moshing - thing. I'd say you are pretty well immersed in the concert experience whilst moshing. The songs get you movin, super fast , thrashy riffs get you all pumped up - that is very much experiencing and enjoying the concert.

48 second mark of that video. It's all in good fun man.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 9:03:15 AM PST
At the Sacramento show this past summer Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson told a group of moshers "People pay a lot of money for these tickets and want to see Iron Maiden. If you want to do that s**t go out to the effing freeway." I've always been into the show/music more than anything else. I dont mosh and I dont care if others mosh. I just dont want to get sucker punched by some tweeker whose too jacked up. Too often I see people who do the hit & run on people in the pit or on the immediate periphery. A lot of cowards out there.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 9:07:55 AM PST
mitch says:
Yes Iron Maiden would be one of the shows you do NOT mosh at. It's kinda just common sense, mosh for violent thrash/speed bands, and stand and watch for the rest. If you don't want to mosh stand outside the pit, and you do go for it. It will never be outlawed, and bands complaining about it is kind of lame. I don't blame Bruce though, he's right, people do pay a lot of money for those tickets, and Maiden isn't really mosh music anyways.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 10:03:49 AM PST
Do people still stage dive? I'd imagine that after the Dimebag thing security around the stage took a whole new meaning.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 10:11:21 AM PST
Looks like we are the only moshers.....

I play by the rules: no elbows face level, no karate kicks, no beating up the emo in the corner etc.

I can't contain myself when the double bass and crazy solos take place or if the singer is beating a hole in the stage.......

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 11:13:14 AM PST
mitch says:
^I mosh too, same rules apply. I can't listen to thrash in the live setting and not want to mosh.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 12:00:57 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2012 12:01:28 PM PST
C. Harding says:
I typed out a post explaining my full opinion about moshing. Apparently, amazon found something objectionable and told me but wouldn't let me recover what I had already typed so I could just edit the objectionable part and not re-type the whole thing. To make it short, I don't like to mosh myself, but I also go to metal shows expecting to see it and don't get bent out of shape about. As long as it stays away from the soundboard area - which is where I like to be - then I don't care about moshing and moshers can have their fun.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 2:06:47 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
Yeah for real Smith - I mean - there are parts of the show that really make it fun just to get a little crazy for a bit.

Decapitated - Spheres of Madness as a closer, Cannibal - Hammer Smashed Face as a closer, Deicide plays Dead by Dawn a lot earlier in the set now....Megadeth - Peace Sells during the final chorus ....

Punks break that elbow rule all the time... that is annoying, but yeah man - stick to those rules and it is all in good fun.

I mean, Toxic Waltz is about moshing.

"If you get a black eye don't start to cry, jump back in - give it another try..."

"Throw your partner against the wall, if you hit the floor - you can always crawl..."
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