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Greatest (or possibly second greatest) Cult Classic Movie Of All Time

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Initial post: Mar 14, 2012, 5:15:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 22, 2012, 1:30:44 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
(Sorry, I forgot to put that in the title of the thread).

I hope this doesn't feel too unwieldy for anyone
& I hope I'm not biting off more than I can chew, but...

I think, in fairness, this game should not start immediately.
I know & love a lot of cult classics,
but cannot consider myself the ultimate expert,
though I think I'm probably not all that far off.

Someone else (I think in the end-of-the-world film game thread)
suggested there be a "cult comedies" game.
I think that all cult classics should be included, though.

With that in mind, I've scoured my mind & memory & the web
for as many "ultimate" cult classics as I can think of.
I'm sure I've left out a few,
but, considering how many there would have to be,
no matter which way you go,
I thought it best to limit it to one film per director/filmmaker--
whichever one is the filmmaker's "signature" work.
I've made rare exceptions to this rule
& am hesitant to make any more.

In picking the choices for this list, I've considered several criteria:
Something unique, groundbreaking, weird, particularly distinctive,
controversial, sickening in some way or considered so,
so-bad-it's-good, exceptionally gross, explicit, shocking, repulsive,
something that challenges the censors,
mostly very obscure, but having relatively small
but ravenously devoted groups of fans/followers,
somehow coming out of nowhere
& just becoming embedded/cemented into the culture
& so forth.

Temporarily, I'd like to open this for debate
(for, say, a page or three),
just to make sure I haven't forgotten
any vital or obvious choices (& I'm sure I have).
If there's anyone out there who can show
that you're much more of an expert
about this than me, then I shall trust your opinions
regarding anything I don't know enough about.

If there are titles here that you're not familiar with,
please try to see them or become familiar with them,
especially if you're going to vote
(taking a cue from the "Best Remakes" thread,
the voting will be two up & two down per post,
for whichever films you want,
list your up/down choices
& specify who you're posting after).
Once there's been enough debate,
I'll start whatever movies are listed at that time
with 8 points each.

If anything should happen to me while this game is still going
(always a possibility), please carry on without me.
I will stay with this for as long as I can.

The films & their directors:

"Trilogy Of Terror" (1975--Dan Curtis)
"The Blob" (1958--Irvin S. Yeaworth, Jr.
& Russell S. Doughten, Jr.)
"The Fly" (1958--Kurt Neumann)
"Killer Klowns From Outer Space" (1988--Stephen Chiodo)
"Night Of The Living Dead" (1968--George A. Romero)
"Plan 9 From Outer Space" (1959--Edward D. Wood, Jr.)
"Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes" (1978--John DeBello)
"Chopping Mall" aka "Killbots" (1986--Jim Wynorski)
"The Blair Witch Project"
(1999--Daniel Myrick/Eduardo Sanchez)
"Black Sheep" (2006--Jonathan King)
"The Toxic Avenger" (1984--Lloyd Kaufman/Michael Herz)
"Elvira's Haunted Hills" (2001--Sam Irvin)
"The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living
& Became Mixed-Up Zombies" (1964--Ray Dennis Steckler)

"D.O.A." (1949--Rudolph Mate)
"Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia" (1974--Sam Peckinpah)
"The Cars That Ate Paris" (1974--Peter Weir)
"Alphaville, Une Etrange Aventure De Lemmy Caution"
(1965--Jean-Luc Godard)
"Dead Man" (1995--Jim Jarmusch)
"Detour" (1945--Edgar G. Ulmer)
"Gone In 60 Seconds" (1974--H.B. Halicki)
"Death Race 2000" (1975--Paul Bartel)
"Rolling Thunder" (1977--John Flynn)
"The Warriors" (1979--Walter Hill)
"Repo Man" (1984--Alex Cox)
"Streets Of Fire" (1984--Walter Hill)

"Café Flesh" (1982--Rinse Dream)
"Deep Throat" (1972--Gerard Damiano)
"Flesh Gordon" (1974--Michael Benveniste/Howard Ziehm)
"Deadly Weapons" (1974--Doris Wishman)
"The First Nudie Musical"
(1976--Mark Haggard/Bruce Kimmel)
"Greetings" (1968--Brian DePalma)
"Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex
(But Were Afraid To Ask)" (1972--Woody Allen)

"Duck Amuck" (1951--Chuck Jones)
"Bambi Meets Godzilla" (1969--Marv Newland)
"Guard Dog" (2004--Bill Plympton)
"Song Of The South" (1946--Harve Foster/Wilfred Jackson)
"The Adventures Of Prince Achmed"
(1926--Lotte Reiniger)
"Gulliver's Travels" (1939--Dave Fleischer)
"Fritz The Cat" (1972--Ralph Bakshi)
"Heavy Metal" (1981--Gerald Potterton)
"What's Opera, Doc?" (1957--Chuck Jones)
"La Planete Sauvage" aka "Fantastic Planet"
(1973--Rene Laloux)

"Eraserhead" (1977--David Lynch)
"Pink Flamingos" (1972--John Waters)
"The Terror Of Tiny Town" (1938--Sam Newfield)
"Freaks" (1932--Tod Browning)
"Tell Your Children" aka "Reefer Madness"
(1936--Louis J. Gasnier)
"Little Shop Of Horrors"
(1960--Roger Corman/Charles B. Griffith/Mel Welles)
"L'Age d'Or" (1930--Luis Bunuel)
"A Clockwork Orange" (1971--Stanley Kubrick)
"Dune" (1984--David Lynch)
"Polyester" (1981--John Waters)
"Monty Python & The Holy Grail"
(1975--Monty Python/Terry Gilliam/Terry Jones)

"The Fearless Vampire Killers
or Pardon Me, But Your Teeth Are In My Neck"
(1967--Roman Polanski)
"Vampire's Kiss" (1988--Robert Bierman)

"Sweet Sweetback's BaaadAsss Song"
(1971--Melvin Van Peebles)
"Coffy" (1973--Jack Hill)
"White Man's Burden" (1995--Desmond Nakano)
"Bamboozled" (2000--Spike Lee)

"The Aristocrats" (2005--Paul Provenza)
"This Film Is Not Yet Rated" (2006--Kirby Dick)
"F***" (2005--Steve Anderson)
"Roger & Me" (1989--Michael Moore)
"Sound & Fury" (2000--Josh Aronson)

"The Girl Can't Help It" (1956--Frank Tashlin)
"Viva Las Vegas" (1964--George Sidney)
"Head" (1968--Bob Rafelson)
"Woodstock" (1970--Michael Wadleigh)
"Tommy" (1975--Ken Russell)
"Renaldo & Clara" (1978--Bob Dylan)
"Rock 'N' Roll High School" (1979--Allan Arkush)
"This Is Spinal Tap" (1984--Rob Reiner)
"Fear Of A Black Hat" (1993--Rusty Cundieff)

"Last House On The Left" (1972--Wes Craven)
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (1974--Tobe Hooper)
"Death Wish" (1974--Michael Winner)
"Lipstick" (1976--Lamont Johnson)
"I Spit On Your Grave" (1978--Meir Zarchi)

"Dial 'M' For Murder" (1954--Alfred Hitchcock)
"House Of Wax" (1953--Andre De Toth)
"The Tingler" (1959--William Castle)
"Chelsea Girls" (1966--Andy Warhol/Paul Morrissey)
"Spirits Of The Dead"
(1968--Roger Vadim/Louis Malle/Federico Fellini)
"Cremaster" 1-5 (1995-2002--Matthew Barney)
(2007--Robert Rodriguez/Quentin Tarantino/
Eli Roth/Edgar Wright/Rob Zombie)
"The Human Centipede"
(First Sequence 2009/Full Sequence 2011/Final Sequence 2013
--Tom Six)

"Safety Last" (1923--Fred C. Newmeyer/Sam Taylor)
"Steamboat Bill, Jr." (1928--Charles Reisner/Buster Keaton)
(go to 55:55 for an incredible moment in film history)
"Body & Soul" (1925--Oscar Micheaux)
"It" (1927--Clarence G. Badger/Josef von Sternberg)

"The Rocky Horror Picture Show" (1975--Jim Sharman)
"Xanadu" (1980--Robert Greenwald)

"Blackboard Jungle" (1955--Richard Brooks)
"Clerks" (1994--Kevin Smith)
"Better Off Dead" (1985--Savage Steve Holland)
"Zazie Dans Le Metro" aka "Zazie Of The Underground"
(1960--Louis Malle)
"Napoleon Dynamite" (2004--Jared Hess)
"Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle" (2004--Danny Leiner)
"Labyrinth" (1986--Jim Henson)
"Heathers" (1988--Michael Lehmann)
"Pee Wee's Big Adventure" (1985--Tim Burton)
"The 5,000 Fingers Of Dr. T" (1953--Roy Rowland)

"Anti-Christ" (2009--Lars Von Trier)
"Ratboy" (1986--Sondra Locke)
"Triumph des Willens" (1935--Leni Riefenstahl)

"Whatever Happened To Baby Jane" (1962--Robert Aldrich)
"Faster, Pussycat...Kill! Kill!" (1965--Russ Meyer)
"Bunny Lake Is Missing" (1965--Otto Preminger)
"Valley Of The Dolls" (1967--Mark Robson)
"Boom!" (1968--Joseph Losey)
"Myra Breckenridge" (1970--Michael Sarne)

"Zelig" (1983--Woody Allen)
"Short Cuts" (1993--Robert Altman)
"Being John Malkovich" (1999--Spike Jonze)
"Die Dritte Generation" aka "The Third Generation"
(1979--Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
"Withnail & I" (1987--Bruce Robinson)
"Secretary" (2002--Steven Shainberg)
"Buffalo '66" (1998--Vincent Gallo)
"Donnie Darko" (2001--Richard Kelly)
"The Music Of Chance" (1993--Philip Haas)

"Les Diaboliques" aka "The Devils" (1955--Henri Georges Clouzot)
"Cat People" (1942--Jacques Tourneur)
"Les Yeux Sans Visage"
aka "Eyes Without A Face" (1960--Georges Franju)
"Carnival of Souls" (1962--Herk Harvey)
"Operazione Paura" aka "Kill, Baby, Kill"
(1966--Mario Bava)
"The Mafu Cage" (1978--Karen Arthur)
"Reform School Girls" (1986--Tom DeSimone)
"The Last Mistress" (2007 --Catherine Breillat)

"Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story" (1987--Todd Haynes)
"Parents" (1989--Bob Balaban)
"Spider Baby Or...The Maddest Story Ever Told"
(1968--Jack Hill)
"The Room" (2003--Tommy Wiseau)
"Trainspotting" (1996--Danny Boyle)
"Bucket Of Blood" (1959--Roger Corman)
"Forbidden Zone" (1982--Richard Elfman)
"The Gods Must Be Crazy" (1980--Jamie Uys)
"Barbarella" (1968--Roger Vadim)
"Shakes The Clown" (1991--Bobcat Goldthwait)

"Zardoz" (1974--John Boorman)
"The Groove Tube" (1974--Ken Shapiro)
"Videodrome" (1982--David Cronenberg)
"Suburbia" (1983--Penelope Spheeris)
"The Adventures Of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension"
(1984--W.D. Richter)
"El Topo" (1970--Alejandro Jodorowsky)
"L'ucello Dalle Piume Di Cristallo"
aka "The Bird With Crystal Plumage" (1970--Dario Argento)
"The Big Lebowski" (1998--Coen Bros.)
"Memento" (2001--Christopher Nolan)
"They Live" (1988--John Carpenter)
"The Dark Backward" (1991--Adam Rifkin)
"Primer" (2004--Shane Carruth)

"The Wizard Of Gore" (1970--Herschell Gordon Lewis)
"Theatre Of Blood" (1973--Douglas Hickox)
"La Cite Des Enfants Perdus"
aka "The City Of Lost Children"
(1995--Marc Caro/Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
"Bad Taste" (1987--Peter Jackson)
"Street Trash" (1987--J. Michael Muro)
"Lola, Rennt" aka "Run, Lola, Run"
(1998--Tom Tykwer)
"Frankenhooker" (1990--Frank Henenlotter)

"Santa Claus" (1960--K. Gordon Murray [originally 1959--Rene Cardona])
"Santa Claus Conquers The Martians" (1964--[St.?]Nicholas Webster)

"Salt Of The Earth" (1954--Herbert J. Biberman)

Went to 160,
but THAT'S IT.
It's high time to start the game.
Any additions will have to wait
until a few films have been voted off.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 5:30:35 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
Some possible suggestions...

The Warriors (Walter Hill)
Withnail and I (Bruce Robinson)
Revenge of the Nerds (Jeff Kanew)
The Toxic Avenger (Lloyd Kaufman/Michael Herz)

There are a heap more, but these 4 stand out for me.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 5:37:51 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
Of course!!! How could I forget the Troma Team??!!
I've heard of "Withnail & I", but haven't seen it.
I'll have to find out more about it.
Is there really a cult for this one?
I hadn't considered "Revenge...",
but I guess that qualifies.
"The Warriors" I'm also sad to say I know only by reputation,
but I'm aware it does have a sort of cult following.
I'll add that, too.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 5:40:38 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
I would say 'The Breakfast Club' is a good inclusion, as it has it's devoted fans who love it, and everybody else else who is either MEH about it or hates it.

I think 'Halloween' is nowadays universally regarded, whereas Carpenters 'Assault on Precinct 13' is more likely to sit within the "cult" parameters. 'They Live' also fits the bill.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 5:44:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 14, 2012, 5:44:29 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
Withnail and I is perhaps the greatest cult film to come out of the UK. It's "cult credentials" are second to none (except Rocky horror, i guess). Have a geez around the web and you'll see it pop up in practically every cult discussion. Oh, and I recommend it, very highly.

Troma have many candidates, but ol' Toxie just stands out as the pick of the bunch.

I will be in your debt FOREVER if The Warriors makes the list.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 5:46:20 PM PDT
Alphabetical order? Chronological order? Something.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 5:50:32 PM PDT
I don't know if you want concert movies like "The Song Remains the Same," for example.

"The Gods Must be Crazy"

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 5:53:01 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
I second 'The Gods..."

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 5:59:52 PM PDT
>"or are all of these too popular to be considered cult classics?"<

Yes, they are too popular to be true cult films. In particular, 'Pulp Fiction' was far, far too acclaimed at the time and presently to be considered cult. The only real cult movie Tarantino made was 'Jackie Brown'. Although I might make an exception for 'The Producers' and 'Blazing Saddles', because they were not that well received by critics at the time.

As to what's missing, I hardly know where to begin.
I would add 'Streets of Fire' to Sloany's suggestion of 'The Warriors'.
'Ed Wood' was definitely a cult film for a while before it became more recognized by critics.
And in honor of Vampira's integrity, I must insist you take those sham Elvira movie off the list of consideration!
And a list like this is lost without 'Glen or Glenda?', 'Plan 9', and perhaps 'Orgy of the Dead'.

'The Hudsucker Proxy' and 'The Big Lebowski' were not very well received either, initially, and they kick major ass in the cult film department. 'A Serious Man' arguably belongs there too.

Sloany's also right about 'Assault on Precinct 13' sitting comfortably in the cult realm. And 'Dark Star' as well.

And my favorite Corman-produced flick of the '70s: 'Eat My Dust!' -- definitely a cult film!

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 6:10:54 PM PDT
Manos: The Hands of Fate by Harold P. Warren

It's so bad that it's funny. Actually one of Quentin Tarantino's favorite films. Supposedly he has one of the original film prints.
Gotta love Torgo!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 6:39:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 14, 2012, 6:42:53 PM PDT
He's got Plan 9.

Oh, yeah, "Buckaroo Banzai" should be added. Maybe "Pink Floyd: The Wall"?

Well, if we're going for "so bad it's awesome" - "Santa Claus vs the Martians."

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 8:27:01 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 14, 2012, 8:31:29 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
I've decided that, as the debate progresses,
I'll simply keep editing my original post.

"Santa Claus Conquers The Martians" is definitely a must-include. I should've thought of that. As I mentioned, I'd prefer to limit the list to one film per director. "Plan 9..." is up there & seems to maintain its status in some circles as "the worst film ever made" (though it can't possibly be, if so many people enjoy it, even if it's for different reasons than intended). Tim Burton's up there, too, with his feature debut "Pee-Wee...", though maybe I should change that to one of his shorts--"Frankenweenie" or "Vincent". I'll give it some thought.

I have to confess to being a big fan of Elvira,
even if she's influenced by/a rip-off of Vampira.
I think Elvira is to Vampira as Julie "The Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun" Brown
is to Madonna. In both cases, the latters were just taking the approaches
of the original performers that much further, 'til it was just ridiculous
(See "Medusa: Dare To Be Truthful").
I was hesitant about including the original Elvira movie,
because, well, I guess it's just not weird enough;
but I think we have to keep "...Haunted Hills",
for 2 reasons, mainly: it co-stars "Rocky Horror..."'s Richard O'Brien
& it was filmed mostly in Romania. Jonathan, please feel free
to vote Elvira down once the game begins.

I hadn't thought of concert movies & I'm kind of skeptical about including one,
especially by such a lauded band as LZ.
"Pink Floyd: The Wall" would be a better choice,
but I don't know that even that is extreme enough.
Maybe if there's a concert film by G.G. Allin (I'll have to look into that).

Also, if we're talking cult films, we MUST include something by Warhol.
I'm no Warhol expert, though. I've seen parts of some of his films
(notably, "Flesh" & "Andy Warhol's Frankenstein"),
but none of this was recently. If there's an authority on Warhol out there,
what would be his signature film or most iconic work?
I'll look into this myself, too.

As for Corman, I don't think we can do better than
"Little Shop Of Horrors". Filmed in ONE DAY, wasn't it??

"...Buckaroo Banzai" would seem to fit the bill,
as would "...Lebowski".
There probably is a better Carpenter choice than "Halloween".
it just struck me that this seemed like a cult hit, originally,
but, yes, there's a better choice. "They Live" probably is the most apt.
I haven't seen "Assault On Precinct 13"
(this was remade recently, wasn't it?)

I wasn't aware that there was a big "...Gods Must be Crazy" cult out there,
though it certainly is an atypical enough film.

Point taken about "Pulp Fiction", I guess;
it just seems like some people have been pretty ravenous about it,
while others found it too much, but, yeah,
it kind of is too massively popular, even now.
I think the same is true about Brooks & Hughes.
I think the Hughes films (& others of that sort,
such as "Revenge Of The Nerds")
owe a lot to "National Lampoon's Animal House"
& I wouldn't call that one a cult classic.
In fact, these days, it's more of just a plain old classic.
Even at the time of its release, it was pretty popular
(& influential) across the board, wasn't it?
I'm considering "Better Off Dead", though,
just because it's so bizarre & quotable.
Brooks' films were always pretty popular in the mainstream, too,
so maybe his work isn't quite what this is about.

Oh, yeah...
No. No order, alphabetical, chronological or otherwise.
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 8:33:09 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
I certainly second 'Better Off Dead'.

Posted on Mar 14, 2012, 8:34:12 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
Then, 2 dollars, it is.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 14, 2012, 8:46:12 PM PDT
>"Tim Burton's up there, too, with his feature debut "Pee-Wee...", though maybe I should change that to one of his shorts--"Frankenweenie" or "Vincent". I'll give it some thought."<

Not enough people have seen the shorts. Definitely keep 'Pee-Wee's' up there.

>>"If there's an authority on Warhol out there,
what would be his signature film or most iconic work?"<<

Best movie Warhol ever had his name on: Paul Morrissey's 'Flesh for Frankenstein' (aka 'Andy Warhol's Frankenstein'.)
Best movie Warhol directed himself: 'Bike Boy'.
Warhol's most iconic movie though, would have to be Chelsea Girls.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 2:58:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 17, 2012, 8:30:43 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
If "Chelsea Girls" is in (& it is now),
then I should definitely also include Matthew Barney's "Cremaster" cycle.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 3:59:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 15, 2012, 4:10:23 PM PDT
7 & 7 IS says:
Forbidden Zone
Repo Man
Eating Raoul
Lust in the Dust
Female Trouble
Santa Claus (1960)
Straight To Hell
Street Trash
Brain Damage
Freeway2:Confessions of a Trick Baby
Blood Diner (1987)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 3:59:11 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
This list is looking REAL good.

Blend this list with the end of the world list and it's basically a list of my favorite movies.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 4:36:33 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 17, 2012, 8:39:55 PM PDT
Laust Cawz says:
"Frankenhooker"'s been there from the start ("Wanna date??").

I'd considered other movies by the directors,
but I ultimately went with Bartel's "Death Race 2000"
& Waters' "Pink Flamingos" (those seem to be their iconic works)
& the list is already so long that, even if I hadn't already wanted to limit it
to one movie per director, I think I'd decide that at this time anyway.
In an occasional case, I might make an exception for 2 of a director's films,
if there are enough requests, but, like I said, the list is already so long,
the game may take forever. Many of these films are all-time favorites of mine,
which will make the voting that much more difficult (for others, too, perhaps).
Am not familiar with "Blood Diner", "Brain Damage", "Street Trash", "Straight To Hell" or "Forbidden Zone".
I'll look into those. Is there really enough of a cult for "Manos: Hands Of Fate"?
I'm hesitant to include too many MST3K films.
I think the only other one I'd be anxious to list
besides the "Santa Claus" films would be "Tormented"
("Tom Stewart killed me!!!"),
but I think I'll hold off on that one.
Of course, there's also the "MST3K" movie,
but I don't know that's become so known even among cultists.
I don't think "This Island Earth" was the best choice.
I went to see it upon its original release
& it was certainly good, but I think they did a better job
with some of the TV episodes.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012, 4:59:58 PM PDT
D Byrd says:
Well, if we're going for "so bad it's awesome" - "Underwater Nazi Zombies", "Versus", "Bad Taste".

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 5:02:12 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
Oh man, the great suggestions just keep rolling in.

I can't Not second 'Bad Taste'. New Zealand's number 1 Cult classic.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012, 5:11:59 PM PDT
Georgedc says:
how's the list looking sloany? :P


u like or is it too much for wankers? LOL!

do tell! :)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012, 5:15:26 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
Never seen it Boy George.

On a side note, you sure do like laughing at your own jokes, don't ya. Or do you add the LOL so that people know your intention is to be funny?

You ever seen 'Bad Taste'?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012, 5:19:34 PM PDT
T. Sloan,

If I were you, I wouldn't respond to the nitwit anymore. He has been working overtime in his pathetic trolling lately, and has been awarded a special place in my anti-pantheon, becoming one of the handful on Ignore.
My guess is this is a troll account for another nay-voting stalker. Either way, what a bore. Let's not waste another second on the childishness.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012, 5:27:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 15, 2012, 5:28:36 PM PDT
apokálypsoz says:
I'll try, but he's such an easy target, what with being able to call him Boy george, and all the love hearts and man-love for Obama.

But I'll try.

Sorry Laust, I won't drag the thread down. My apologies.
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