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Initial post: Apr 29, 2012, 5:56:15 AM PDT
DK Pete says:
Here we go again...the latest word is that Sony and EMI-among other major labels-are bringing CD production to a halt as of the end of this year. Presumably, the production of special, "limited editions" will continue (whatever that menas and for however long that may be).

Does anyone have any further info or thoughts on this "terrific" news?

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 6:17:18 AM PDT
Pete

What is your source?

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 6:45:36 AM PDT
humbahbug says:
I don't see anything other than rumors, and they all seem to be from 2011. But the reality is, there are already releases that don't have a physical product. Download services are getting exclusive content that's not available on any physical edition where you have to buy the whole album from them to get it, so it's definitely heading that way.

I won't be absolutist and say I won't buy any digital downloads, because I'm sure it will end up being the choice of no new music or doing it. But I don't even buy songs when amazon gives them away, because I just don't want to encourage that behavior.

I want the lyrics, the liner note, photos, etc. the ability to rip it and tag it the way I see fit. Car stereo manufacturers are finally starting to allow lossless formats from removable media, and storage is finally coming down to allow a ton of music even at lossless rates.

Even the trend to use those stupid cardboard digipaks, or worse yet, just a cardboard pocket was disturbing enough. Just give me all the tunes in a normal jewel case packaging please.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 6:53:28 AM PDT
Amen.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 9:19:38 AM PDT
DK Pete says:
Rasmus, a fellow poster on another thread went into a website looking for some Byrds material info. At the bottom of the site page there was a notation that Sony would cease the manufacturing of CDs by the end of this year.

This prompted me to do a simple search on the matter. I found a site in which an article stated exactly what I'm saying in my opening paragraph (I don't have the link to this article handy but, if you're interested, go to the DAILY BEAT thread under The Beatles forum and go to the last page..I posted the link there).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 9:22:46 AM PDT
Okay Pete - will do - thank you!

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 9:26:23 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 9:34:01 AM PDT
DK Pete says:
You're welcome...let me know what you think.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 9:37:02 AM PDT
I just saw somewhere that a new CD player was released. It sells for $22,0000. Someone is not worried about it.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:05:44 AM PDT
alysha25 says:
When I hear the name Sony, I can't help thinking of the big gaming DRM (digital rights management) issues that went on a couple of years ago. People were Really upset that when they installed the game from the disc it put a DRM program on their computer that some said was like a virus or rootkit, to prevent copying of the disc. Well I won't get into that whole huge scandal.

But I'm curious, if music goes all digital, what kind of DRM , if any , will be involved? They also have this for Some movies that you rent pay per view on your T.V. For instance, when you rent a ppv movie and it's only available for the 24 hours in which you rent it, then it is no longer viewable.

I think itunes may already have DRM. That's why you can only listen to itunes on an ipod brand.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:07:54 AM PDT
Chris Kaiser says:
I don't see this happening. Music/Record companies could "fix" this. They are the ones making all the mistakes and ripping people off.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:12:19 AM PDT
alysha25 says:
Also some in the gaming community say when you download a digital only game , you are not really owning it, you are paying to RENT it. Because it is somehow dependent on that company keeping their website up. The game needs to connect to the website.

What If even music downloads become that way. So for instance you would be forced to Join so and so website for a small monthly fee. I think there Already is this setup with Rhapsody. It could theoretically go down one day and you would not own any of that music.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:17:44 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 29, 2012, 10:19:22 AM PDT
That's why i-tunes issues updates every so often. Not because they have come up with anything that you need in order to run your iPod but so they can police and regulate what you have in your library. I stopped downloading their periodic updates because they would erase album art that I had uploaded to albums myself and cd's that I uploaded would disappear.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:19:10 AM PDT
alysha25 says:
I've been collecting a lot of CD's lately. And I'm one of those people who almost always listens to the whole album through. I don't buy too many single songs, although occasionally I do. It's difficult to even find the CD stand you want anymore.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:54:38 AM PDT
bahhumbug - I WISH CD booklets always had lyrics in them, but it seems to be a trend to not do so. Many new or remastered CDs I buy seem to not put the lyrics in and this drives me nuts (Ian Anderson, Scorpions, maybe the ELP remasters). I'll note that the younger bands I listen to do so - although, as a lot of these are Europen metal bands that sing in some Scandinavian language, this doesn't always help :)This plus the chincy cardboard cases seems an odd move, considering most people I know who don't listen to physical CDs also don't PAY for their downloads.

I'll be bummed if they stop putting out new music on CDs, although since most of the CDs I buy are by smaller metal/prog labels or are older CDs I get from the Amazon marketplace, I suppose it won't be a big deal for me right away!

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 10:57:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 29, 2012, 11:02:38 AM PDT
dwood78 says:
When it comes to media (movies, music, tv series, etc) I want to a physical copy of it. The moment to goes from owning a hard copy to renting a soft copy is the moment I stop buying media altogether & hopefully I'm not along in this.

To the media- your copyrights & intellectual properties doesn't give you the right to bite the hands that feeds you

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 1:13:46 PM PDT
Though I initially fretted over the loss of the CD format to downloaded music, the transition to downloads doesn't seem so bad after a little deeper thought.

Sure we give up:
- disc
- liner notes
- free storage

Maybe missng a few points, but to counter those mentioned, downloads can be burned to disc and some of the liner information is available on the Internet. So the download formats can be burned to disc, converted to another format (if necessary), and then enjoyed on disc players. A search on the Internet will fill in some of the info contained in the CD liner notes and we've gotten use to the fact - a good many CD liners don't offer much.

My biggest concern is the loss of audio quality in the low bitrate, compressed files and the trouble in finding a suitable media player that plays the downloaded format in a well executed menu system, as well as the annoyances of converting formats and burning the download to disc. There doesn't seem to be any standard for download content, and purchase of CD gives the option of choosing the hardware, software, and format that can be used to store the file on PC/media player.

The consistent failure of the music industry to curtail copy protection and the rise in use of networked and portable electronics leads to one conclusion: disc media is not the most profitable means of selling music to the public. What do we expect from the media industry? Who do we blame for the decline in CD purchase?

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 1:27:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 29, 2012, 1:30:41 PM PDT
alysha25 says:
"Rand (Stonehenge) Stoner says:

That's why i-tunes issues updates every so often. Not because they have come up with anything that you need in order to run your iPod but so they can police and regulate what you have in your library. I stopped downloading their periodic updates because they would erase album art that I had uploaded to albums myself and cd's that I uploaded would disappear. "


Yeah, for awhile I felt like I made the wrong choice getting a cheaper sanza sandisk brand MP3 player instead of ipod. But the more experience I have with both (my son has ipod so I mess with his occasionally), the more I see the pros and cons of each, and I'm happier with my cheap non-proprietary sanza.

I like the ipod interface touchscreen organization a little better. And of course the big one is that it plays AAC files, a better music format, and the sanza only plays MP3 files. Also all those many stereo/clock radio/speaker systems are ALL made to only hook your ipod brand MP3 player to.

But I learned every one of those speakers/clock radios etc. CAN be used with the sanza MP3 with an $11.00 aux cord. It won't charge it like the ipod but it will play it just fine.

When I discovered a lot of the album art missing from my son's ipod it really set off my OCD! I tried quite a few things but could not get that album art. On my sanza I have ALL the album art. Some of it I had to search for and copy and paste and do various things to get it there. But at least it STAYS! I buy my music mostly in CD's these days, new and used, keep the CD's on a stand, rip them to my media player on computer, and sync them to the MP3 player.

I've learned how to use the sanza touchscreen interface through downloading the adobe instructions. It isn't so bad now that I have a clue how to use it, better than my stupid cell phone, that's for sure. ;o).

At least itunes doesn't have control of what I put and keep on my MP3 player, even if I can't have any itunes on there.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 1:28:24 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 29, 2012, 1:33:50 PM PDT
humbahbug says:
I expect the media industry to use every trick in the book to extract the maximum amount out of people. Some of the decline of physical media is just because of the technology advancing, but a lot of it has been brought upon by the companies' strategies, like colluding to keep prices high, installing root kits to protect their content, actually arguing with a straight face that a notch in the audible spectrum was not sonically noticeable, the multiple edition bloat, the vault strategy, where you have to buy it now before we lock it away and won't sell it to you for 10 years, etc.

If you have a copyright on material you are purposely not distributing, it should be null and void.

Just like books, it's obviously more profitable to have electronic delivery and no physical production and distribution, but it doesn't mean we have to like it. I'd really like to see the actual link @ DKPete. I couldn't find it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 1:40:02 PM PDT
onsenkuma says:
Rand,
I think you may have helped solve a mystery for me. After downloading a recent iTunes update I noticed that two playlists I had created from my main database had DISAPPEARED. The tracks were still there in the main database, but I had to re-create the playlists and 'drag and drop' tracks into them all over again. BTW in my case the ENTIRE database is from my personal music collection; I've never purchased anything from the iTunes Store.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 2:02:29 PM PDT
"I expect the media industry to use every trick in the book to extract the maximum amount out of people."

You understand the goal of a business in the capitalist US market - GOOD. But also consider, many consumers maximize every trick in the book to extract profit from the use of the purchased meda. Look at the early days of Napster and the other file sharing Internet services that provided music from which consumers enjoyed at no expense. Who do we blame?

"Just like books, it's obviously more profitable to have electronic delivery and no physical production and distribution, but it doesn't mean we have to like it."

But their are a good many purchasers of music downloads that like it. Its CONSUMER DRIVEN.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 2:11:48 PM PDT
Alysha

You can get all the album artwork you need for i-tunes right here on Amazon. Just type the album you want in the search window. Then drag the album artwork that comes up on the upper left of the screen to you iTunes album. You can either drag it right to the now playing box after highlighting the songs on the album or do it by highliting the entire album, clicking on file, then clicking on get info and dragging the artwork into the box there.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012, 2:12:58 PM PDT
onsenkuma

Same here, all of my iTunes library is from cd's I'ver uploaded, all 261.26 gigs of it.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 2:14:31 PM PDT
Pete ~

If your information is right on target it means production of bootleg CD's will really increase as many will be screaming for a CD edition of their favorite music. Vinyl LP's have become popular once more.....

Posted on Apr 29, 2012, 2:34:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012, 4:18:45 PM PDT
Grandpa Tom says:
DK Pete:

Just pressed play on Blood on the Tracks while I respond. This incredible album was released while I was attending college, and have enjoyed it since 1975 in various formats.

My point is someone is turning the consumer from an owner to a renter.

Every additional point discussed will prove this truth. My initial purchase of B.O.T.T. was vinyl (a piece of plastic with surgically precise grooves cut into it so that, presumably, an incredibly sensitive needle that operates as an uber-sensitive microphone, will track and send impulses through electronic devices, resulting in beautiful music). I purchased (6) vinyl copies, giving several as gifts. I made tapes for my own car and work use. I had freedom to dispose, sell, or gift the albums if I wanted. Even though I don't own the intellectual property contained within, I did own that vinyl and jacket. Since, I have invested in (2) additional cd versions, and with cd's, the same issues exist regarding the physical format.

I ONLY listen through vintage audio equipment (at least 32 years of age, most 40+). Not on computers, nor mp3 or similar portable music players.

Digital music is played by reading codes, 1's and 0's. The format delivering the access is essentially the same on cd, dvd, streaming, or downloading. The public will soon be forced to plug into an online server to verify licenses and access their music after verification. This was tried in the DVD world (remember DIVXX?) I do....and was left with about 6 useless discs after the license expired. At the time, it was ok, as they were about $3, the same as an overnight BLOCKBUSTER vhs rental. Never did it again, and sold the player. Vowed I'd never do that again. I'm trying to keep from it now.

In reality, the powerful folks who are in control have made their decisions. We have no input on what will occur. Sensibility and reason will have nothing to do with it.

Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts is on now. Wrapping up for the moment. Nice to converse with you, Pete. All I can think is at least The Beatles' catalog is remastered and released. What version of RAM have you pre-ordered?

Finally-how times have changed. I recall a DOONESBURY cartoon in which Andy was dying, and all he wanted was PET SOUNDS to be released on CD. When he got the news, he smiled, and passed away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Lippincott

All the best to everyone this Sunday...

GT
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