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Initial post: Nov 28, 2012, 6:01:37 PM PST

can any one recall if in all the years since in there long carrers if james levine and /or placido domingo have ever since the 1972 emi studio recording performed giovana d'arco?

i do not think they have as it is the least performed of any verdi opera

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 6:55:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 6:56:08 PM PST
Todd Kay says:
ALZIRA is the least performed completely original one, according to Operabase (I'm not counting AROLDO, which is a rewrite of STIFFELIO). A few others are lower than GIOVANNA D'ARCO too.

I don't believe Domingo or Levine has done it apart from the studio recording, but Domingo will be performing the baritone part opposite Anna Netrebko in the summer of 2013 at Salzburg. Concert performances only.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 8:49:06 PM PST
thanks, i did not know that that had changed as i remember reading that about d'arco but now that i think about it that would have been about 12 years ago so i am glad to hear that it has had an upswing in popularity as i lke the work.
i find it strange that they perform stiffelo more than aroldo as i have always thought that aroldo would work better on stage(knights just seeam more operatic than preists on a stage somehow) and that verdi made the work better as aroldo. i wonder if it had only atracted the likes of vickers, bergonzi,corelli and del monaco in their primes in the 1950's-early 1970's that aroldo would be one of the second teir hits of the opera stage now the way that nabucco and i vespri have become in more recent times.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 12:56:41 AM PST
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Todd Kay says:
Interesting...I think knights would have seemed more appropriate on the stage at the time of Verdi, but in the late 20th/early 21st century, with composers such as Berg, Britten, Poulenc, Adams, etc., having expanded the horizons of workable operatic subject matter, the world was finally ready for STIFFELIO. It was ahead of its time.

In my opinion, the final scene of STIFFELIO, with the title character mounting the pulpit and delivering a sermon on forgiveness (contrary to the expectations of the other characters), has great affirmative power. It was very forward-looking to end an Italian musical melodrama with a sermon. I'm sure it was bewildering in the mid-19th century.

Musically, I will admit, I know STIFFELIO much better than I know AROLDO, and I should spend more time with the musical revisions of the latter. But the drama of the former, I love, and I think it's great that major artists such as Domingo, Carreras, Cura have made a vehicle of Stiffelio. He is to middle Verdi as Otello is to late Verdi...a marital and spiritual dark night of the soul that gives a tenor so many opportunities.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 11:45:34 AM PST
Cavaradossi says:
harold fredericks, jr.

I know Mario del Monaco performed Stiffelio because I have a "private" recording of it with he and Angeles Gulin. It isn't dated, but he sounds fine.

I admire Stiffelio a lot, but I am sorry to see Aroldo sidelined because of its revival.
Verdi came up with a fine Act Three for Aroldo. The music is impressive and Aroldo's forgiveness of his wife is still moving. Fans of Stiffelio should give Aroldo a try. I don't know if it's currently available, but there was once a recording on CBS with Caballe. Since she's still a big name, perhaps Sony will bring it out, if they haven't already.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 1:05:33 PM PST
Todd Kay says:
AROLDO also got a nice deluxe treatment from Philips the last time we had a big Verdi anniversary (2001, the centennial of his death). Vaness, Shicoff, Michaels-Moore, with Luisi conducting the Maggio Musico Fiorentino...good talent for the period. The older CBS recording of the concert performance of Caballé/Queler is currently available from third-party sellers here, not outrageously expensively.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 5:25:02 PM PST

yes, i have that live del monaco stffileo also and it is a good one,do you have the live/radio aroldo with gulin and ceccheli from 1975? opera d,oro has good sound on bothof these and i think ceccheli is in better form on the opera d'oro version than on the cbs/sony with caballe but hopefully sony will bring that caballe out aain on there sony opera house series also with the verdi bi-centenial next year i hope those 3 luisi sets on philips/decca will be back as they were good if not quite great

by the way do any of you guys know if those old tito gobbi and dubbed actors black and white movies of operas from the 1940's were complete(with the standard cuts of that time) or were they just highlights with the rest spoken dialouge between famous seens? i can not tell from the clipps i have found on youtube,but the riggoletto at least looks comeplete?

Posted on Nov 29, 2012, 9:04:03 PM PST
Cavaradossi says:
harold fredericks jr

No, I don't have the live Aroldo you mentioned with Gulin and Cecchele. What I have, in addition to the del Monaco, is the CBS set with Caballe and the old Cetra mono set from the early 50s. I missed that modern Philips set that was mentioned above and I would really like to have it, so I'm with you on hoping it gets rereleased.

As to your question about those old Italian opera movies, I never read that there is spoken dialogue in them, but that the operas themselves are often drastically cut, more even than the stage cuts of the time. Now, I do remember reading that one of them does have a spoken narration, but I can't remember which one it was. If you're at all interested in these old films, I wouldn't let concerns like these get in the way. You get to see Tito Gobbi and Ferruccio Tagliavini in them, and that should be worth the hassle. I'm interested in the Rigoletto especially, but I haven't gotten it yet.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012, 9:38:41 PM PST
I've listened to Cecchele and Gulin in Alzira but not Aroldo. They were surprisingly amazing. For Aroldo, I rather enjoyed the performance by Penno, Stella and Protti. Not bad. Something I didn't mind listening to but not something I'll want to listen to again. Honestly, I find Giovanna d'Arco better. Giovanna d'Arco has more vocal highlights but the impact, beauty and excitement of these highlights is nowhere comparable to those from the great Verdi operas. I'll rank it among the okay-galley operas, neither barn storming nor off-putting.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012, 5:40:03 AM PST
thank you,

that is about what i thought the soudtracks of those films would be,i was wondering because i think the new bongiovani rigoletto cd is the soudtrack of that film and was debaiting about buying it i think i will the film with naration i think must be la forza del destino as one of the youtube clips that i saw of it had a narator at the begining of the scene with leonora and the monks, that film must be gobbi's onlt forza i have always wondered if he was missing rom the callas/tucker emi studio recording because emi was recording that first stella/christoph don carlo of 1954?

Posted on Dec 1, 2012, 8:40:05 AM PST
Edgar Self says:
There is an early "Alzira" from Berlin Radio, about 1938, with Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, who said she learnt her part in a taxi on the way to the studio. Or almost. Knowing her, she knew it well before that, but it was a last-minute job, and she's barely recognisable.

Posted on Dec 5, 2012, 10:47:23 AM PST
Gene Bivins says:
Surely, "Un Giorno di Regno" must be the least-performed, no?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012, 7:05:28 PM PST
that or forza del destino in it's original form.

Posted on Dec 7, 2012, 11:19:04 AM PST
Cavaradossi says:
I would suggest two other candidates as the least performed of Verdi's operas today: Aroldo, the revised version of Stiffelio, and Jerusalem, the revised version of I Lombardi alla Prima Crociata. The revival of Stiffelio has driven the always rarely performed Aroldo from the stage, and probably only deep Verdi fans even know of Jerusalem's existence.

I seem to remember reading of a mounting of Un Giorno somewhere in Italy, I think, in fairly recent years. It may have been done by that opera company that has been performing the early operas and plans to do all the operas in honor of the Verdi bicentennial next year. These productions are being released on DVD and BD even as I write this.

Posted on Dec 7, 2012, 3:12:19 PM PST
Todd Kay says:
Operabase has UN GIORNO DI REGNO ranked 22nd out of 27 worldwide (I'm discarding their tracking of the Requiem and the Four Sacred Pieces). JERUSALEM does not seem to have been staged anywhere in the five-season period they covered, so it "wins."

GIORNO has a leg up on some of his less distinguished galley-years dramas. It's his only youthful comedy; it carries the mystique of having been such a fiasco that it almost ended his career (hard to understand now), so people want to give it a fair hearing; and the times are right for it, with the interest in lighthearted Italian operas of that time. Even the big houses have been dusting off minor Donizetti and Rossini operas for the first time.

I have the Parma DVD, with the wonderful Anna Caterina Antonacci. It's the only one in that series so far I have bought.
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