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Initial post: Apr 23, 2012, 8:41:06 AM PDT
I've mentioned the CD Viva Verdi - the first one. On Amazon, it's expensive. I've had it since it was pressed. As well, I've mentioned the singers. I'm currently listening to Stignani singing O don fatale . . . And to answer the frequent lament on this forum about where are all the good singers: On - often remastered - CDs. Here's a bit of Christoff - but not sound nearly so good as when he recorded Ella giammai . . . in 1949.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYET-0jBd1Q

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 11:01:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 23, 2012, 11:03:11 AM PDT
Edgar Self says:
Stignani's and Cloe Elmo's like we may not see again for a while, but there are Ewa Podles, Zajic (but I think you con't care for her), and Stephen Costello, whom I stubbornly continue to offer as examples of engaged singing today. In truth, I couldn't name many more. The trouble seems to be that all the singers today try to sound like each other, or like the "Italian", "French", "German", "Russian", or "English" styles held up to them by coaches and teachers. They should instead try to sound like themselves, and as different ... and instantly recognisable ... as possible.

Could Magda Olivero even get a job today?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 1:31:38 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Thistles

The greatest singers have gone to the Big Clef in the sky. Stignani and Christoff rock.

This Ebe performance is Mamma Mia Good. The tone is beautiful, the voice is huge and perfectly controlled, EBE STIGNANI "Fia dunque vero!...O mio Fernando" from La Favorita by Gaetano Donizetti
orchestra Stabile Accademia di Roma -Vincenzo Bellezza, conductor -Roma 10.XII.1946

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y7UkQOXMZU

John

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 2:22:30 PM PDT
If I had an opera company? You bet and immediately. Sometimes, she's better than Callas (but without the glamour and, uh, other items). As for Zajick, it's not her voice I don't like, but her performances, which I find wooden. Having said that, I loved Traubel.

I was burbling happilty via email to a friend who attends Met performances. She smart enough to ask my opinion.<G>

When I heard - and was impressed - by Jay Hunter Morris, she knew she'd seen him or heard him somewhere, etc. I said that unless she'd seen the last two members of the Ring, etc. This is what I received a little while ago and I was so tickled that I'm still smiling. This from Linda:

"I realized after the article (and photo) in The Times that I'd seen him on the subway one morning. He was telling the guy with him that he was really excited about a role, but time was short, rehearsal was brutal and he was short on sleep. They were speaking quietly, not for the benefit of the other passengers in the car. I only heard because I was sitting right below where they stood. They got off at Lincoln Center. The other guy was carrying some kind of horn case."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 2:38:40 PM PDT
Edgar Self says:
I've seen Zajic on stage only as Azucena. Only! And thought she was good. Indeed, the best thing in it. I still of Martinelli singing "Mal reggendo al'aspro assaulta" with Louise Homer (?) and then I wake up screaming, but not as loud as Martinelli. And someone please fix my spelling of that duet.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 3:24:05 PM PDT
Alas! I am only capable of correcting of your spelling of Zajick.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 5:21:22 PM PDT
I've seen Zajick a couple of times. She was always the best singer on stage. Unfortunately, that's not saying a heck of a lot.

LARRY

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 6:07:04 PM PDT
So sad! At least when one buys recordings, they don't cost $300 and they last longer.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 6:59:39 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Any Baritones around like this? I think not.

Titta Ruffo - Zaza - Zaza , piccola zingara - Victrola 87125 - enregisté le 27 novembre 1912
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POStvRdeh1U

TITTA RUFFO - 1907 - O VIN, DISCACCIA LA TRISTEZZA - HAMLET
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGOEYo_EkU

OR High sopranos like this.
Luisa Tetrazzini, "Oh d'amor messaggera", Gounod: Mireille (HMV, 1909) The staccati are like bullrts of lightening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4snWKfX_rQ

OR mezzos like this
GABRIELLA BESANZONI "CARREAU, PIQUE" - Her lower voice is lika bassos but integrated with the rest
of her glorious tone. An what a fatalistic character she makes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru5WOxLLjqo

Tenors -2- Miracles

Enrico Caruso sings an aria from La bohème (by Ruggero Leoncavallo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGdfKq9KVVA

and
The Great Dane age 61 on TV Live.
Lauritz Melchior - Because
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMoXf9DR52g

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 8:42:31 PM PDT
De Luca oozed elegance; Ruffo (originally Ruffo Titta) was the stevedore, a stumpy little man with a warm and robust voice that I love so much I have a 2-disc CD of his work in my car - and I know every track. His sumptuous sound did not have de Luca's more refined - and just as worthy - sound.

Melchior owned a happy voice. At the same time, it was robust and free. I adored him, got a huge kick out of his movie career. Most of today's singers do not have full - or open - throated voices. It seems to me tha that more work goes into production and the silliness - most often - of creating a different era that most often makes no sense at all. You're seen my rant on that pitiful McVicar production.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 9:26:19 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Cara Thistle

You are so On Point about the sound factory know as Melchior. Today they are miniature toy factories.

Best-John

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 9:33:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 23, 2012, 10:01:56 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Piso Mojado says:
Could Magda Olivero even get a job today?
=================
Caro

How sad to even consider what you state but you are not off target. One time I hope you are wrong.

The notes per se in this opera are not difficult to sing. It only goes to a high A. Her emotional sparks have me in tears now.
Magda Olivero sings Adriana Lecouvreur - final duet and death scene (1965 live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex069gGzckE&feature=related

I am the first one to say - each to his/her own but how this music and singing does NOT dissolve everyone is an aestheric mystery to me;-)

Regards-John

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012, 10:00:16 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Here ia tenor of whom I have no knowledge. Wonderful voice , technique and style in an aria whose
tessitura is higher than Mt. Everest.

Alabiso Carmelo, Tu ch'odi lo mio grido (Mascagni-Isabeau)
Columbia 5404 registrazione del 1926
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTvKiP0NWUc&feature=uploademail

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 1:55:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 24, 2012, 1:57:11 AM PDT
Piso Mojado asked, "Could Magda Olivero even get a job today?"

That sort of question holds resonance beyond the operatic stage. Could Ethel Merman or Ray Bolger get a job on Broadway today if they were young unknowns? I doubt it. Neither of them could dance "well enough." They certainly did not possess stereotypical "good looks." And they both had "funny" singing voices. And Noel Coward? Oy, don't ask.

LARRY

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 5:00:13 AM PDT
Ach-ja! In the era of now dead singers, stand-and-sing wasn't a bad idea at all! It's great to have singing actors, but the emphasis is on SINGING. I've my my stamp of approval on the Copenhagen Ring with the caveat that the acting is very good but the singing' ain't. And although the production is outrageous, for some reason, I actually liked the production. (Reminds me of a certain politician who specilizes in changing his mind.)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 5:13:25 AM PDT
There's another odd item to these questions. Notice the speech patterns of today's girls as well as the same sound in some of today's musical theater singers.

There is an croak in the voice - speaking and/or singing. I've not yet heard it in speaking voice of mature women. It's a bit of a squeak. When I first watched Glee (a word that took me 30 seconds to recall - SO annoyingO), the TV show, what I noticed - aside from some damned good voices - all the girls own this odd squeak. I asked my friend who KNOWS musical theater (her son does it) and she said, "That's the way they're taught to sing."

Oh, well-then! I guess that's all right and I just need to get into line with it.

I'm not talking about the deliberate and flagrant gravely grind one sings on purpose (and like the trill - I prefer shake, 'cause it is - one can or cannot perform it), but a crunch on the larynx that is SO wrong.

Now look what you've done, Larry, opened Thistle's flood gates while it's still early.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 5:33:03 AM PDT
You know I love even the creakiest verismo operas. Who can sing them today (yes, I know, picky-picky). As for Isabeau, although we know that Lady Godiva's equitation was legend, it does make for an interesting opera.

Since you've mentioned Carmelo, how about Bernardo de Muro. Neither tenor made it into a complete opera recording. When I mentioned de Muro to Ralph Moore, I was surprised he didn't know about him (for a youngster, Ralph knows a LOT and he write excellent reviews on Amazon as well as outside our beloved format.

If anyone is interested: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=+bernardo+de+muro

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 10:26:44 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 24, 2012, 10:27:38 AM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Thistles

De Muro had a huge bright sound perfect for verismo.

From the past a more lyric wonder- what nuance !!!!!
Dino Borgioli sings "O amore, o bella luce del core from L´amico Fritz by Pietro Mascagni
Recorded in 1930
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRGHDRw-4uY&feature=related

and great baritones:
Baritone Domenico Viglione Borghese Herodiade Visione fuggitiva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBgeJIaUliU

Riccardo Stracciari -Vien Leonora - La Favorita (Donizetti) - Beauty itself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17OLU3JvuJk

and bassos incomparablile !!!!!

JOSE MARDONES - 1923 [ age 55 ] - CONFUTATIS MALEDICTIS - REQUIEM - VERDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQrcheGLhg

Nazzareno de Angelis - Eterno, immenso, incomprensibil Dio! from Rossini's Mose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayHwKcBUy6c

a special contralto
ERNESTINE SCHUMANN-HEINK--IL SEGRETO PER ESSER FELICI (BRINDISI) LUCREZIA BORGIA
IMO there is "NO WRONG LANGUAGE" when the singing is OF Ernestine's calibre. THAT TRILL !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aGTjaM--rA

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 2:16:44 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
This performance from little know singers is on my list of MAMMA MIAS.

Marcel Wittrisch and Margarete Teschemacher THE HUGUENOTS rec 1932
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuxv-QhxA4

Posted on Apr 24, 2012, 3:58:51 PM PDT
Soucient says:
I heartily HATE this thread! So much music that I've never heard and MUST hear now. Tremendous burden on my time and aesthetic responses. It's o'erwhelming!!

But I'm not serious about the "hating". Quite the opposite. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 4:43:21 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
Soucient says:

I heartily HATE this thread! So much music that I've never heard and MUST hear now. Tremendous burden on my time and aesthetic responses. It's o'erwhelming!!
--------------
Friend

So much to hear and evaluate and hopefully enjoy.

Regards-John

THREAD DUTY:

Tenor Leon ESCALAIS ~ SICILIENNE FINALE (1905-1906) - THE SIZE, FLEXIBILITY, TRILL & HIGH Cs are amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjwc7-IPb7o

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 4:50:09 PM PDT
Oh, yes, absolutely!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 4:58:32 PM PDT
How marvelous! I feel your pain . . . anytime you want to visit me, you get to dive into and play whatever you fancy. And my collection is small, comparatively speaking, at around 2000 recordings. Friend Jerry probably has over 7000, but he's a collector and I'm merely INTERESTED. <g>

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012, 5:48:58 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
And this guy most have never heard or heard of. Not subtle but Quale Voce. I have an LP of his.

D'Alessio Roberto, Della mia vita (Bizet-I pescatori di perle)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNFb845T5Gg&feature=uploademail

Roberto D'alessio-Spirto gentil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0A5S4zgbGE

Posted on Apr 24, 2012, 9:06:59 PM PDT
John Ruggeri says:
And who do we have the pleasure [sic/sick] of hearing sing this today?

Gertrude Grob-Prandl "Starke Scheite" Götterdämmerung
Wiener Symphoniker -Rudolf Moralt, conductor -Wien 1949
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7PyipPwlM
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