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"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012, 11:29:11 PM PDT
It must be getting too late, I'm having trouble figuring out what the rule is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012, 11:43:00 PM PDT
PA counted all votes statewide, no matter what, until Thomas Dewey won the Republican presidential primary despite having dropped out of the race because of an overwhelming grass roots write-in campaign. All 70 delegates to the convention were basically meaningless and PA had no role in the early round of voting as Dewey was out of the race.

That's when the statewide law changed to not counting write-in or absentee ballot if there was no chance of a third party win. As long as either a Democrat, a Republican, or both of them get at least 33.4% of the vote, you could basically flush the military vote, as they were overwhelmingly deployed overseas and had to vote by absentee ballot.

It's been a thorn in the side of politically active military families ever since. We pretty much knew we were disenfranchised prior to the Military Voting protection laws of 2008 and 2010. Now the new stricter voter ID on top of it means that deployed servicemen and women will have a bit more trouble even getting an absentee ballot application approved. Their military IDs are good for the active duty family members, but not for dependents or even for reservists on an active overseas posting.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012, 11:49:06 PM PDT
Understand, and this was when decisions were still actually made at the conventions!!! I do remember that Maryland actually elected a woman that something had happened to, I don't remember the whole thing but absentee ballots come to mind in that case too.

As for the military IDs I'd need a better explanation of why my dependents id wouldn't be good overseas for voting absentee. I'll grant you mine wouldn't be a military absentee at this point --- but I don't see the problem. What am I missing? I can use it to vote in person.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:06:33 AM PDT
A customer says:
PA is like most of the N/E in that you lost so much manufacturing jobs overseas.

Isn't the coal mining a big part of the PA economy ?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:09:11 AM PDT
A customer says:
Romney worked well with the black community in MA & did more for them then Barry Obama has done as President.

I don't look for a big turnout.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:11:46 AM PDT
Yeah, conventions were probably an interesting blend of exciting and maddening back then. PA's weird little footnote to history was a pretty moot point. Dewey got through to get the nomination despite the PA Republican machine working so hard behind General MacArthur who was really too busy with the Philippines campaign for that sort of political nonsense.

All that hullabaloo to squelch the will of the people all these years, for a candidate who easily carried the convention and then went on to lost to both FDR and Truman.

History is fun because it's so strange.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:23:22 AM PDT
Not since the big anthracite mines in the northeast played out. The coal era petered out pretty sharply after that. We used to do 20 million tons a year easily. There was another little bubble in the 90s when a new vein was discovered, but that's tapped now too. It's really just low grade bituminous left now, which barely earns its keep. The state subsidizes it heavily, mostly on deferred debt.

Here's the most recent anthracite bubble:

Bituminous is a slower decline but when it's living on the hope of futures rising at some point to offset the debt, it's a ticking time bomb industry.

The PA energy boom is in hydrofracking for natural gas and also wind.

It will be interesting to see how much traction Tom Smith gets as the Republican candidate for Senate. In central and eastern PA, mining is unpopular due to the sinkholes, pollution, and loss of mines but still debt. He may get traction, but he may be the next Christine O'Donnell. He mostly got rammed through on foreign PAC money crossing state lines in a crop of unknowns. Only the southwestern corner of the state really knows him, but that's a large population center.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:58:50 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012, 1:23:13 AM PDT
Here's a more detailed answer for you:

Mining and logging combined employ 36,800 people. Education and health employ 1,172,100 people. PA works on the public sector dime. Even most of our lucrative health institutions are run by universities and staffed by people on the Pennsylvania Employees Benefit Trust Fund package of health insurance and pension or the SERS State Employee Retirement Services.

PEBTF is funded 1/3 employee contributions, 1/3 district contributions, 1/3 state contributions. There's a state moratorium on contributions until 2015 while Corbett is shoring up industry on deferred debt loans, when the obligation balloons from $500 million in contributions per annum to $6 billion. SERS obligations will grow from $1.1 billion per year to $4 billion by 2016, again due to deferred contributions by Harrisburg.

Our balanced budget is SOS -- same old shoving. Shove it off a term and hope for the best so it doesn't show up in this term's budgets. Corbett is going to face huge challenges in 2015 if he's reelected. Not only does the PEBTF balloon come due, he has guarantees on Scranton's parking/hotel fiasco, the Lehigh Valley's NIZ nightmare trying to build a hockey stadium, a bailout on Harrisburg's trash incinerator, and possibly other failed projects that don't get press in the southeast corner.

edited for brain fart. PA works on private sector dime was the error I first typed. It's a public sector state, no matter whether it's a Republican or a Democrat in control.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012, 12:39:53 PM PDT
ET says:
Reed N. D. Dark

I called the MS vital records office. The very kind woman there was aghast at the very notion that a certified MS birth certificate would be sent out with a raised seal attached to ANYTHING other than the document itself. She assured me that it could never happen and didn't even want to discuss what should be done if one were sent out in any other way.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:46:02 PM PDT
English teacher,

Got it!! (seriously)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 12:59:42 PM PDT
J. jones says:
Obama has more paths to the number 270, than does Romney. With the Obama attack ads running nonstop, it's going to be next to impossible for Mr. Romney to catch up. He is not a charismatic candidate anyway, and people are wondering why he lost in 2008, to McCain, not even making it to the general election. He is an also-ran. People like Obama better than they do Romney, and they trust the president on more issues than they do Romney. Romney is lagging in an area that is nearly impossible to make up--likeability. I give him credit for showing up at the NAACP, though.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:11:20 PM PDT
ET says:
You're welcome since I made the call for you (not me).

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:17:09 PM PDT
I actually see a third option, if there is in fact a gold medallion on a certificate.

I just had some one tell me that I couldn't possibly have pick up at the house at over $7 as week, and be able to pay $4 a month to carry it to a dump/pickup area. So understand skeptics, and that some people have more trash/garbage than 1 40 gallon bag a month: we average that! It is frustration on both sides.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:30:09 PM PDT
ET says:
Think as you will. I made the call for you. You can take or leave the information. The woman said absolutely not to the seal being on any sticker or anywhere other than the certificate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:36:06 PM PDT
English teacher,

I wasn't disagreeing with you I was suggesting that something might look like one and some cleric thought it had been "applied". Shoot, someone told a gal that since her marriage license was in Hebrew she should change the name on her house! Seems that having it translated would have been the more reasonable solution. Since I looked for a sample of what a birth certificate might look like and could not find one, I'm left with and untruth or a mistake made by state. Both are seriously possible but I'm not necessarily split 50/50.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:52:05 PM PDT
ET says:
As I said, I made the call. If you receive a b/c that doesn't have the stamp on the certificate, send it back.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 1:57:34 PM PDT
J. jones says:
Part of the reason for the economy being this sluggish, is that many people are in need of higher level skills, with the manufacturing industry being outsourced overseas. College education costs, though, are not affordable for all, and keeps climbing with inflation. So, the government is going to have to intervene to find a way to make education more accessible, so that more people have a chance to get good jobs. We also have to get tougher on China and India, by keeping tariffs high enough that our products can compete. It would help if we were willing to make products in our country for less. That way we could reopen industries that had closed long ago.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 2:03:21 PM PDT
English teacher,

If I actually receive one I'll report it as FRAUD ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 2:06:48 PM PDT
ET says:
Now you're talking.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 2:08:32 PM PDT
English teacher,

My point was more that if it had my name on it!!! But either would work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012, 8:31:34 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 14, 2012, 10:19:12 PM PDT
J. jones says:
Super slug says:
Another 21st century American "Ghost Town" brought to you by: Obama ~ Biden

Obama's Chinese Credit Card >> Overdrawn << Credit DENIED !

J.jones says: Maybe he can borrow some money from one of Romney's off shore accounts. Or his Swiss bank account. That should give him more than enough.

Posted on Jul 22, 2012, 7:16:24 PM PDT
From the Lancaster : League of Women Voters -


Puerto Ricans, who make up the majority of the county's Latino community, face another hurdle. One proof of identification used to obtain a state-approved photo ID is a birth certificate. Puerto Rico invalidated all birth certificates issued before July 2010 after it was discovered fake documents were being used to gain U.S. citizenship.

Because Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory, its residents do not need a passport to travel to Pennsylvania or other states. A passport is another accepted proof of identity.

Other accepted forms of proof are U.S. citizenship certificates or naturalization certificates.

(Pennsylvania's Department of State said Friday it will offer a special photo ID card for voters who are unable to obtain birth certificates or other documents for a non-driver ID issued by the Department of Transportation, the Associated Press reported. Secretary of State Carole Aichele said the new card is designed to provide "a safety net" for voters who are unable to get the documents they need for a PennDOT ID. It will be available through PennDOT starting the last week of August.)

Posted on Aug 3, 2012, 5:01:59 PM PDT
Here's an update on the PA court case:
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By Cherri Gregg

HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) - Pennsylvania's Secretary of the Commonwealth was on the witness stand today, during day five of the court hearing on Pennsylvania's new voter ID law.

And her testimony just added to the confusion over exactly how many voters need ID.

Secretary of the Commonwealth Carole Aichele is the top state official in charge of implementing the voter ID. But when she took the stand she was cagey, even making jokes in some instances in her response to plaintiffs' attorneys.

At one point, when lawyers asked her about the details of the voter ID law, Aichele responded, "I don't know what the law says."

Plaintiffs' attorney David Gersch (of Arnold and Porter) says the secretary is not the only one confused about what the law requires.,%20though,%20that%20access%20to%20a%20free%20ID%20card%20is%20easily%20available.
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