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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:27:40 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*Abuse, force and fraud are not synonyms. The police using force to stop domestic violence is not abuse. Armed robbery is abuse but not fraud. Voluntary cooperation by criminals may be immoral and force to stop a child abduction is moral.

That is correct. We have governemnt to use force when people engage in these acts of violence. People do bad things and we have government to stop them.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:26:41 PM PDT
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Ataraxia says:
The way you are sounding, it seems that you are certain that this New World Order would be a nonrepresentative system of government. If you could have a NWO with a representative system of government, would it still be so bad?

After all, that is what the founding fathers did with the former British colonies here in the US. And most of them were likely Masons.

Instead of United States of America, you would have a United States of the World: with a system of international law, an international congress/parliament where disputes would be settled by discourse rather than warfare, an international judiciary (maybe at the Hague?)... the rule of law at the international level.

Hmmmm. Doesn't sound THAT bad to me. It may still not be utopia, but it sure beats the chaos and rule of the strong against the weak that makes for international politics today.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:26:05 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*You are hilarious. Theoretically it could get smaller but history and common sense tell us government always grows more powerful until it brings itself down and culture with it.

The government is people with the same failing. They have desires for wealth and power. As government is in more control it attracts those that want power and privelage. If you want to make it get in government not commerse.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:25:24 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:12:53 PM PDT
JKW Retired says:
"If there was a true public outcry for government to get smaller, backed by people voting that way in a large majority, government would get smaller. If government is getting bigger all the time, it's because there's insufficient popular will to stop it from getting bigger..."

You've got it! "Whenever a majority of a society discovers that it can vote itself a free lunch, that society is doomed."

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:11:13 PM PDT
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Intrepid says:
> "Do YOU abide the use of force, fraud and abuse of other humans? Yes OR No?"

Force if they are criminals of course yes - and without apology.

Fraud or abuse, of course NOT.

Your thinking is very rigid. That is why you are chronically unhappy and feel oppressed. I don't feel that way and don't see the hand of government as excessively heavy **compared to other countries**. The latter is in fact how you need to think. You need to have a frame of reference relative to the world and realize how lucky you are! [or logically move to where you think it is better]

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:08:54 PM PDT
I don't know. Maybe I don't even really care that much.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:08:40 PM PDT
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Mickey says:
Perhaps, but you asked if they were moral, yes or no. It depends. You're not going to say force is always immoral and cooperation is always moral - are you?

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:08:35 PM PDT
I've tried but frankly the Federalist Papers leave me cold. Probably the fundamental problem is I'm not really that interested in political philosophy.

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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:01:33 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*I'm not really looking for someone else to tell me what I should believe about the Constitution. I've read it for myself and formed my own opinions, right or wrong.

I sugest reading the Hamiltom and Madison for some advice and guidace.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:00:42 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:00:38 PM PDT
Agree there are lots of vested interests in bigger government. Included in these are government benefits accruing to voters which keeps them voting for bigger government. However if a large majority of the voting public became firmly committed to reducing the size of government, it would eventually happen.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 1:00:37 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*Of course people should support themselves if at all possible. There are literally millions of people in this country who work fulltime at minimum wage and are below the Federal poverty line.

Yes because of life choices of choosig to take on responsiblities when they are not read choosing in many cases become single parents. Enty level jobs are an opertunity for people to get in the work force. The trade off is that have a sub minimum wage for students and they are the only one hired or lock people out of their first jobs with some higher minimum wage we thing people should get because they work. It is a free market and minimum wage jobs are the entry level so individuals can get the education of a forst job.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:59:20 PM PDT
I would define the Federalist papers a little differently, namely a point of view about the Constitution that not everyone shared either then or now.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:58:35 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:57:59 PM PDT
If there was a true public outcry for government to get smaller, backed by people voting that way in a large majority, government would get smaller. If government is getting bigger all the time, it's because there's insufficient popular will to stop it from getting bigger, and/or sufficient public will to back continued growth, or both.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:57:39 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*Just because it's always gotten bigger doesn't mean it always will. There is a mechanism in place whereby the people through their elected representatives can choose to reduce the size of government. The fact that this hasn't happened yet speaks volumes about what voters really want from the government, regardless of what political ideologies they profess to hold.

How about the process in government where people win elections on promices but when in office they do other things. The process of governemnt is clumsy and dificult to change. Also the government itself is used for a base of power where those in office can gain power for their own interests by taking from one group and give to another and they can raise money by proposing regulations and rules which can destroy a business and they have to pay protection money to keep it from being passed or mitigage the effects.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:52:47 PM PDT
Useful Idiot says:
*I've read the Constitution many times

How about some of the federalist papers. They are the guide and intention behind the constuition. The constitution is mostly process of government.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:51:19 PM PDT
Mickey says:
It depends. You want a yes or no answer to a complex issue and you have no right to ask for that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:26:49 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 12:04:19 PM PDT
Mickey says:
Abuse, force and fraud are not synonyms. The police using force to stop domestic violence is not abuse. Armed robbery is abuse but not fraud. Voluntary cooperation by criminals may be immoral and force to stop a child abduction is moral.

I think you should think about what you're saying before you post.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 11:58:21 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012, 11:48:23 AM PDT
Happy Geezer says:
You are hilarious. Theoretically it could get smaller but history and common sense tell us government always grows more powerful until it brings itself down and culture with it.
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