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Transparency? No, Executive Privilege


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 12:10:11 AM PDT
MisterTee's,

Whether the RW is freaked out about it does not change anything about this. And I do not think you see the problem. Obama himself has stated his problem with these types of move with the previous administration, and now he does it himself. You point out how the RW went along with Bush on these and the DW did not. Now the DW is goes along with Obama on these and the RW did not. So they are not consistent on policy positions.

And if you are so inclined to point out the hypocrisy, then start pointing it Obama for using Executive Privilege after he objected to the former President doing those things. Do you not have two hands to point one at someone else and use the other to point at yourself?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 12:12:11 AM PDT
MisterTee,

You have precedents to site that Obama is not covering up Bush's mistake with Fast the Furious? The thing did not start till well after a year Bush left, when Obama's administration was at its strongest politically. So bring up the precedents. It better be about "Fast and Furious" and Bush's involvement.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 12:21:04 AM PDT
MisterTee says:
<You have precedents to site that Obama is not covering up Bush's mistake with Fast the Furious?>

No. I'm convinced that he *IS* covering for Bush.

The precedents I wil *CITE* is the fact that he ignored the numerous torture confessions from the Bush administration, up to and including his VP/de-facto president.

Posted on Jun 21, 2012, 12:22:07 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 21, 2012, 12:22:45 AM PDT
MisterTee says:
Cite.

With a "C".

It's called the English language. It would help if you learned it.

Posted on Jun 21, 2012, 5:12:16 AM PDT
ET says:
Brian Terry's mom said,

"[Brian] was a true American and I think he deserves the truth and I think everybody should know the truth," she said. "And if this was a bad thing they did with Fast and Furious it should be acknowledged so it never happens to anybody else's son."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 11:30:51 AM PDT
http://washingtonexaminer.com/holder-retracts-claim-bush-team-knew-about-fast-and-furious/article/2500157

"Like I said - and I will be proven right on this - Obama is *once again* running cover for Bush."

Why would he do that when he blames Bush for everything else?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 11:33:32 AM PDT
"The only people who are worked up into a frenzy about it are the paranoid freaks who are convinced (that) Obama's coming for their guns."

I'm not paranoid about that because our Constitution is still intact for the time being. I'm furious about it because their crimes have killed innocent people including a border patrol agent. Why don't we know to this day who authorized this?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 12:31:07 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
Hey, that's great.

Posted on Jun 21, 2012, 12:44:25 PM PDT
ignatov says:
"who authorized this?"

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels... They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers. Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.

The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to use "gunwalking" as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 1:06:31 PM PDT
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_obamademocracy.jpg

Posted on Jun 21, 2012, 1:09:54 PM PDT
Obama in 2007 told CNN that Executive Privilege was not a good reason to with hold information from Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 1:12:22 PM PDT
Slang Wright says:
Border agents don't normally get killed by a gun obtained through an illegal gun buying scheme manufactured by the U.S. govt. to try to get assault weapons banned. Where's your outrage?
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But they do get killed by illegal guns? They also get killed by LEGAL guns.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 1:25:07 PM PDT
Shain Edge says:
Boarder agents don't generally get killed by 'legal' firearms. Those coming up from Mexico are not allowed to have guns unless they are government, or are held within firing ranges. No citizens are allowed to have firearms in their own homes or while traveling. American citizens don't resist Boarder Agents. That leaves only illegals.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 1:39:52 PM PDT
Slang Wright says:
I think it stings more to be killed by a "legal" firearm at any rate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 2:12:41 PM PDT
"But they do get killed by illegal guns? They also get killed by LEGAL guns."

I repeat, border agents don't normally get killed by a gun obtained through an illegal gun buying scheme manufactured by the U.S. govt. Where's your outrage?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 2:20:32 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
I ran out of outrage after you guys got me so worked up about Bill Maher.

I can't keep up with you people. Your outrage is *literally* outrageous.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 2:47:41 PM PDT
ET says:
Don't sound so sanctimonious. The next <possible> racial remark made about Obama will send you off on a tangent. Just because the death of a border agent isn't right up there with a Faux racial remark in your book, don't look down on those of us who care.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 2:50:10 PM PDT
So nothing outrages you? NOTHING?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 2:51:51 PM PDT
Mister Tee,

So you are not upset that a US official died because of a program that Obama was a part of and upset at some remarks people made about Bill Maher? Priorities might need to be changed and care about someone who actually died, hundreds actuall, and we will get no answers because of Obama's hiding things instead of being transparent.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:13:53 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
Humans are inherently opaque. That is because light reflects off the surface of their bodies.

I am saddened at the unnatural death of anyone. Hundreds of them happen each day.

But I can't be outraged because my outrage mechanism has already been worked to death.

Perhaps if you guys were a bit more selective in your outrage, I could have kept up.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:28:05 PM PDT
D. Mertins says:
Oh, if it were the Republicans fault, you'd be the Encyclopedia of it.

Your Hypocrisy is a clear mark of democratic ideology.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:30:57 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
You capitalize "hypocrisy", but not "democratic"...

What have you got against democracy ?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:32:33 PM PDT
D. Mertins says:
The United States is A Republic, learn the difference.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:34:43 PM PDT
MisterTee says:
I never said otherwise.

And the chance of *you* actually teaching ANYone ANYthing here is essentially zero.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 21, 2012, 3:44:31 PM PDT
Shain Edge says:
Democracy is inherently repressive for minorities.
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