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Syria: So It Begins - Alleged Gas Attack in Homs


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Initial post: Dec 24, 2012, 7:34:09 AM PST
neonpisces says:
"Gas used in Homs leaves seven people dead and scores affected, activists say"

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/syria/gas-used-homs-leaves-seven-people-dead-and-scores-affected-activists-say

Isn't that supposed to be the trigger for NATO?

And didn't I read, recently, of a Russian presence in Syria?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/23/syria-crisis-russian-military-presence

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 7:36:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 24, 2012, 7:49:53 AM PST
If true, this is bad juju.

Starting to look like it's really true. All reports seem to be coming from one incident so far, but the video looks pretty convincing.

Assad using poison gas was said by a number of countries to be a tipping point.

Now we get to find out.

Merry Christmas from President Assad, ya'll...

Posted on Dec 24, 2012, 8:04:06 AM PST
seajaw says:
I haven't seen it confirmed yet by major U.S. media sources (or Right Wingers). Just Israeli news sources and Al Jazeera.

From what I heard, the Russians were supposedly pulling out of Syria. That was where they had maintained their last overseas military presence (though they still have facilities in some neighboring former Soviet republics).

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:01:37 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:27:55 AM PST
OldAmazonian says:
We should get out and stay out -- let the locals sort things for themselves. Doing that from the start would have saved much blood and treasure.`

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:41:31 AM PST
seajaw says:
That's a toughie. Should we just let 'em deal with it themselves?

Or, are we AMERICA, land of the free and home of the brave, and the folks the world counts on to fight for peace and liberty?

Do we stand up for the oppressed? The Right made that case in Iraq, then ran from it, when Obama sent air support in the Libya conflict.

Why is Assad possibly gassing his own people different from Sadaam doing it in Iraq?

Do we support action, if approved by NATO or the UN?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:41:59 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:47:18 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 24, 2012, 11:47:57 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Russian troops are in Syria, neonpisces. I don't know in what capacity, though.

They could be reinforcements for the regime or they could there to protect some of the more advanced systems the Russians have sold the regime. Or, maybe they're tourists?

I'm sure Colonel Putin will be happy to explain it all.

I haven't seen anything about gas being deployed. It's a difficult weapon to control, however, and the Russians are good at CBW. Maybe they're using it?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 11:56:42 AM PST
We did stay out.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 12:08:41 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 24, 2012, 12:10:52 PM PST
OldAmazonian says:
Get out and stay out of the middle east. Remove our troops from the messes we helped make worse.

We don't need a plan to leave. We didn't have a plan when we went. Just leave.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 12:10:42 PM PST
We haven't intervened in Syria. When you say "doing that from the start would have saved much blood and treasure", what "start" are you referring to?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 12:11:58 PM PST
OldAmazonian says:
The start of the Iraq/Afghanistan boondoggles under W.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 12:14:36 PM PST
Agree we didn't need to invade Iraq. Disagree that we should have stayed out of Afghanistan. You had a country run by the Taliban, which gave safe haven to OBL and al-Qaeda from which they were able to launch a terrorist attack on NYC that killed almost 3000 innocent people. What were we supposed to do, just let them get away with it?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 12:26:18 PM PST
OldAmazonian says:
Of course not. However, let them get away with it is essentially what we did by responding with half-measures.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 3:25:14 PM PST
Ha, America was never a nation to fight for freedom for others. We are a nation to fight for our own self interest. If we get involved in Syria, it'll be because we see a gain to be had, not because we care about their freedom.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 3:26:44 PM PST
Agreed whole hearted. Just come on home.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 4:00:42 PM PST
OldAmazonian says:

We should get out and stay out -- let the locals sort things for themselves. Doing that from the start would have saved much blood and treasure.`
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I like Obama's 'Lead from behind' approach. Let Saudi Arabia and Turkey take the lead in this. Let 'them' expend the 'blood and treasure'. Every time we stick our necks out to be the 'good guys', we get our head chopped off. We can back our allies from behind the scenes, and in the end, gain more and lose less.

I'm not interested in another Muslim Brotherhood or Islamic Republic of Iran deal,....let somebody else pay for it and let their kids die for it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 10:44:57 AM PST
Seems to me we were all in in Afghanistan, the only major failure being at Tora-Bora where we made the mistake of letting the locals try to do the job of capturing OBL.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 12:10:31 PM PST
That, and not putting our full resources towards finding him and getting out once that happened.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 12:50:08 PM PST
seajaw says:
OBL should have been the ONLY mission. We'd be in much better shape today, if we had just done that and come home.

Damned Neocons...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 6:03:09 PM PST
The problem is figuring out how to leave in a way which won't allow the Taliban to take over again.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 6:33:21 PM PST
seajaw says:
The trouble is, we had them on the run. And we had the Afghan people behind us. We had momentum.

When we turned and went after Sadaam, everything fell apart in Afghanistan. The Taliban regrouped. And we lost the trust of the people when we deserted them.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012, 6:47:29 PM PST
Agree we took our eyes off the ball. Which President Obama made a major issue in the 2004 campaign.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012, 1:25:15 AM PST
We've been doing that for ten years, how long should we stay and try?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012, 5:14:05 AM PST
The decision has been made that we'll leave by 2014.
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