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Initial post: Nov 1, 2012, 8:11:02 AM PDT
Ignored by the lamestream media, is the story of a courageous General who got the emergency message for Help! from Benghazi, and took appropriate action - AND GOT FIRED INSTEAD!

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/obama-fires-general-for-wanting-to-help-americans-being-attacked-in-benghazi-2514294.html
OBAMA FIRES GENERAL FOR WANTING TO HELP AMERICANS BEING ATTACKED IN BENGHAZI

This is a stain on our collective moral conscience. When a U.S. General responds to a call for help - and gets fired instead, we have a government Administration that is no longer "accountable to the People". (Unknown how many of the 'Muslim Brotherhood' advisors in the White House had a hand in turning away help for Benghazi.)

This perfectly encapsulates this horrid Administration! An inept and lazy Puppet President and his venal Appointees who won't even protect our own citizens. And even stop plans in-motion to respond to calls for help!

Do you REALLY want to give four more years to this cowardly, radical/terrorist Administration? With their blatant greed and crony capitalism? With their thirst-for-power, and four years of totalitarian bills Prez Dud signed - which will probably be enacted if he is re-elected?

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 8:17:20 AM PDT
When you disobey the orders of a superior commander in the Army...you get fired.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 8:21:37 AM PDT
When the "superior commander" is a totally inept puppet with radical 'Muslim Brotherhood' advisers - he and his puppet-masters are anything but "superior."

I strongly suggest we get Team Obama out of office, or we may have a military coup on our hands in the next four years - especially after the Obamabots try to activate all their signed totalitarian bills.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 8:23:04 AM PDT
Jaime says:
WOW, that's the same site with these other hard-hitting, factual stories:

- John Moore: 'Secret Of The Black Knight' Satellite
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- Entrance To Alien Base At Rocca Pia, Italy Discovered As Two Aliens Met With Italians
- ABC Exposes Weather Modification In Progress: 'Conspiracy Theory' No More...
- Delayed Election And Martial Law-Was Arch Crawford Right?
- UFO Sighting Huge Mothership Over Minnesota, October 27, 2012, Mothreships in California, Scotland And Mexico

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 8:23:55 AM PDT
N_W_TX says:
There are exceptions to that rule. It's even stated in the UCMJ.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 8:27:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 9:02:39 AM PDT
Marilyn Martin says:
When the "superior commander"...
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Well one the superior commander in this case wasn't Obama...two it doesn't matter what the order is, if our generals don't follow they are disciplined, what would happen otherwise would be treason.

There is one person that could clear all this up...General Ham, wouldn't he have something to say by now...Fail.

Ok, bye crazy conspiracy theorist...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 8:29:06 AM PDT
Ice King says:
Sure, if any of that nonsense were true you might have a point.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 8:40:26 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 8:57:36 AM PDT
Good point, N_W_TX!

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm
OBEYING ORDERS
"The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) requires the obedience of LAWFUL orders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders - if the order was illegal."

Let's see ... A highly regarded General in charge of the African Command (and Libya IS on the African continent's northern border) gets a Need Help! message from "official" Americans in Benghazi. The General correctly orders up a Rapid Response Team, and (again correctly) notifies the Pentagon. Sounds totally legal and the absolutely correct reaction to me!

Any military officer - with more Leadership experience than sniveling Panetta - would have done the same. So just who was the one issuing an "illegal order"?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 8:45:03 AM PDT
John McClain says:
Bahahahahaha

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 8:56:22 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 19, 2013, 4:00:37 PM PDT
Ice King - Ah! Another Dem with their head in the sand. Sorry, but the story is quite TRUE, and here's the same story from another source:

http://www.examiner.com/article/pentagon-denies-claims-general-was-fired-over-benghazi-attacks
PENTAGON DENIES CLAIMS GENERAL WAS FIRED OVER BENGHAZI ATTACK
Another Panetta lie is that the courageous General Ham was "replaced as normal rotation" - but he had not been on the job that long, and normal "rotation" wouldn't have been until 2013. Also, Panetta lied that General Ham had (abruptly) retired - although he was a few years short of mandatory retirement at 64.

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/10/31/gop-senators-issue-benghazi-letter-to-panetta/
GOP SENATORS ISSUE BENGHAZI LETTER TO PANETTA
They ask for "more details about the Benghazi attack, specifically what military forces could respond for a rescue attempt, and what dialogue Panetta had with Obama."

"The Senators letter focused specifically on the MILITARY FORCES IN THE REGION. It has been reported that a special forces unit was on alert in Italy. Questions have also arisen why the U.S. did not send air support to quell the attack that started around 10PM local time."

And Panetta got caught in another lie! (Nothing usual for this corrupt Administration.) He had "explained to the Pentagon press corps why he, General Carter Ham (head of U.S. Africa Command) and Gen. Martin Dempsey ... chose not to send additional military forces to Benghzai." General Ham HAD tried to help - and got fired!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:01:10 AM PDT
We do not have sufficient information to prove what the order was and if it were indeed unlawful.

Understand that a lawful order can be both stupid and absolutely the wrong thing to do. The military quite rightly and of necessity is very stringent about the circs in which an order may be considered unlawful. Otherwise a military could not function properly.

Most people understand that their superiors in rank may have access to info that they themselves do not. They understand need to know. Should General Ham have disobeyed an order. he would know that he might be ruining another op.

I read your article, Ms. Martin, as well as its link to the wiki entry for General Ham. The circumstances as stated in the article do not ring true to me. I am very familiar with generals and how they operate. It seems highly unlikely to me that a person with General Ham's rank, service record, and awards/commendations would act as described in the article.

But, bottom line is we do not have enough facts. Wiki does say Ham is being replaced, but not why...or even if it isn't an expected duty rotation. Without actual facts, the smart money bets a 4star didn't directly disobey an order such as that.

And even if it were true, the soldeir in question would be immediately relieved pending investigation.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:05:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 9:08:13 AM PDT
MFF -

"It seems unlikely to me that a person with General Ham's rank, service record, and awards/commendations would act as described in the article."

ANY "real leader", military officer or not, would have acted exactly as General Ham did. It's the total lack of this Administration's leadership, courage and clear thinking that are truly unbelievable - NOT General Ham's reaction!

Also unbelievable - people still want to give Prez Dud and his venal Appointees another four years ...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:10:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 10:05:10 AM PDT
I find it hard to believe anyone would vote for him either. Be that as it may, you don't have enough facts. It means people won't heed you except someone already convinced.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:15:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 9:23:44 AM PDT
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

MORE PENTA-NETTA LIES!
"... A Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country."

So they're saying General Ham did NOT get an emergency message for help from U.S. citizens under fire in Benghazi, that caused him to get a Rapid Response team ready?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:26:36 AM PDT
John McClain says:
But what about the alien base they found in Italy???

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:30:04 AM PDT
"But what about the alien base they found in Italy???"

I always thought the pope looked like he was from Planet 10.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:41:06 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 19, 2013, 4:03:29 PM PDT
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gingrich-senator-told-me-networks-have-emails-from-white-house-ordering-team-to-stand-down-on-benghazi-rescue/

GINGRICH: SENATOR TOLD ME NEWS-NETWORKS HAVE E-MAILS FROM WHITE HOUSE ORDERING TEAM TO "STAND DOWN" ON BENGHAZI RESCUE
"At least two news networks have e-mails from the National Security Adviser's office telling a counter-terrorism group to stand down. They were a group in real-time trying to mobilize Marines and C-130s and the fighter aircraft, and they were told explicitly by the White House 'stand down and do nothing - this is not a terrorist action'." Newt Gingrich on Fox News

How appropriate! Less than a week 'til Election Day, and Team Obama's lies, cowardice, idiotic cover-ups and mangled/muddled foreign policy comes full circle.

Vote Romney/Ryan as if your life depends on it. Because ... it does!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:42:40 AM PDT
Ryan S. Hupp says:
Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:44:04 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 9:44:39 AM PDT
Gingrich's Operatives didn't get any "hostages" they all died on him...fail.

Nice Conspiracy Theorey, Marilyn if that is your real name...

Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:44:22 AM PDT
T X,
Not a single one of these maroons have a clue what the UCMJ is. O doesn't either. The empty chair is not your friend

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:45:32 AM PDT
Actually an empty chair is one's friend, if one is tired and wants to sit down after listening to your BS...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:46:58 AM PDT
south texas says:
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Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 9:47:55 AM PDT
Jaime says:
Marilyn Martin - You this part out of your cut/paste:

"On Monday, Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, released the following statement to the Washington Times: The speculation that General Carter Ham is departing Africa Command (AFRICOM) due to events in Benghazi, Libya on 11 September 2012 is absolutely false. General Ham's departure is part of routine succession planning that *** has been on going since July.**** "

Clearly Obama knew that this no good, general would disobey him in three month, so he started the process to remove him.

BTW, I hear the General also has proof that Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia or Panama (wait, that was John McCain)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012, 9:51:31 AM PDT
Jaime says:
Marilyn Martin spewed:

GINGRICH: SENATOR TOLD ME NEWS-NETWORKS HAVE E-MAILS FROM WHITE HOUSE ORDERING TEAM TO "STAND DOWN" ON BENGHAZI RESCUE
"At least two news networks have e-mails from the National Security Adviser's office telling a counter-terrorism group to stand down. They were a group in real-time trying to mobilize Marines and C-130s and the fighter aircraft, and they were told explicitly by the White House 'stand down and do nothing - this is not a terrorist action'." Newt Gingrich on Fox News
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So Gingrich has e-mail proof but doesn't want to show it to anyone????

Yeah, sure you do Newt.

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Posted on Nov 1, 2012, 10:07:44 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012, 10:08:38 AM PDT
I don't know how many times I have to write this before it registers on you Dems with your heads in the Sand of Denial:

General Ham was a very well regarded General, who had cleaned up the African Command after its inept predecessor. His "normal rotation" to another command was not due until 2013. The General's abrupt decision to retire - although he was a few years from mandatory retirement - smacks of being ordered to retire or be fired.

Reading Comprehension is important, Libbers. If you had read all the articles I read and linked too, you wouldn't still be spinning in circles, clueless and thinking Prez Dud gives one iota for your lives and the direction of this country.

Wake Up! Time to get rid of Prez Dud, send Pinesol running thru the D.C. streets and buildings to get rid of the stench of corruption, and put an Adult in the White House!

Romney-Ryan - 2012
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