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A divided nation where the urban population centers dictate to all


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Initial post: Nov 9, 2012, 3:05:41 PM PST
One can drive nearly the entire length of the continental United States in a straight line, over 3,000 miles, without going through a single county that voted for Obama. North to South isn't even difficult. No mandate...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:07:18 PM PST
Rev Otter says:
i can cross Alaska without seeing a single human. thus, bears should be in charge.

/same logic

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:08:34 PM PST
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Posted on Nov 9, 2012, 3:09:57 PM PST
Georgedc says:
Teabagger butthurt still rages! :)

:)

:)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:10:54 PM PST
Rev Otter says:
it's funny that you think you're disagreeing, while totally supporting my point. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:18:44 PM PST
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VRWC says:
It's actually worse than you think because a major part of Obama's second term agenda will be to force financial integration with the cities upon the suburbs;

details here.... (Fortunately Prop 31 failed in california, but similar efforts are going on all over the country)

http://www.city-journal.org/2012/cjc1017ma.html

Spreading the Wealth: How Obama is Robbing the Suburbs to Pay for the Cities

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:21:57 PM PST
That's what the electoral college exists for, so that small unpopulated states can have some say in who gets to be elected President. But face facts, there are a LOT more people living in those blue counties then the dozens of red ones in the middle of the country. To give them anymore representation then they already do would be to take power away from the majority and give it to a smaller minority.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:24:23 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:29:16 PM PST
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Rev Otter says:
<<I actually think that each state should get the same amount of electoral votes so that representation would be much more evenly distributed.>>

i'm unsurprised that you disagree with the Constitution. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:32:56 PM PST
The reason only a few states do is because most states are guaranteed to go one way or another. Its not that Ohio and Florida have so many electoral votes that they override everyone else, its that they are swing states.

I don't believe in giving equal electoral votes to each state, but I would be in favor of dividing electoral votes in each state based on percentage points instead of having winner take all, that way conservatives in blue states can have a voice, and liberals in red states can have a voice as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:34:00 PM PST
Its okay to disagree with the constitution. I disagree with a few things in there myself. The only difference is that I don't try to ignore it when it says something I don't like.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:34:01 PM PST
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nameinuse says:
It's up to the state to decide how they want to allocate their electoral votes. Nebraska and Maine do split theirs.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:36:40 PM PST
I know, which is great. I would like to see all states do it though, it could be done at the federal level with a Constitutional amendment but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:37:17 PM PST
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nameinuse says:
Basically that's just a popular vote then.
If Texas does turn blue like they predict, Texas will split up their electoral votes because it really is urban v rural there and the urban is winning more and more.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:38:29 PM PST
Pretty much, but it maintains the integrity of the smaller states who will still wield more power and have better representation under this system then with a straight up popular vote.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:40:16 PM PST
nameinuse says:
Well they get the population plus one for each Senator (something like that) so it's marginally weighted against population.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:41:50 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
Nope. It just shows that America has more educated and intelligent people, than uneducated ignorants.
I really thought that the stupids might have outvoted the enlightened but I underestimated America again - a great country, a new beginning.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:42:47 PM PST
Truthseeker says:
Funny thing is that in 1980, it was the exact opposite.
Just goes to show how much the GOP has regressed into the nether world of fools and horses.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:42:53 PM PST
I'm speaker purely on Presidential elections. Senators need to be equal to maintain equality between the states. The Senate was designed to be the place where states get represented not the people, that's what the House is for.

But if we went to a straight up popular vote, then the smaller states would lose what little say they have now in Presidential elections. They really would become meaningless.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:43:50 PM PST
Nope, you didn't underestimate the stupids. After all they voted a little over 98% for Obamney.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012, 3:46:56 PM PST
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nameinuse says:
I don't think the House or the Senate is going to budge for the next 8 or 10 years. The seats in the Senate opening up for the next 8 years don't favor the GOP and the new re-districting and districts from the last census are going to keep the House red until the next census at least. Unless one of the other of the two parties manages to really piss off the US and someone ends up with a supermajority for at least a brief while like we did in 08...but that kind of event is super rare...it happens maybe two are three times a century and only briefly.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2012, 8:46:47 PM PST
"That's what the electoral college exists for, so that small unpopulated states can have some say in who gets to be elected President. But face facts, there are a LOT more people living in those blue counties then the dozens of red ones in the middle of the country. To give them anymore representation then they already do would be to take power away from the majority and give it to a smaller minority."

It's 'than' not 'then'
I'm sorry to correct you, I have never seen this mistake made so much as it is being made lately. I cannot stand it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2012, 8:56:40 PM PST
C. Batty says:
If I had my horse I could probably make it from the Northern side of Maine to Baja California without seeing another human.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2012, 9:20:14 PM PST
VicAriel says:
How would the rural areas react to an end of farm subsidies? Rural Free Delivery? high speed internet subsidies? small airport subsidies?
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