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Conservatives: How Does It Feel to be So Wrong on So Much?


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Initial post: Nov 12, 2012, 8:53:56 PM PST
J. jones says:
Wrong on immigration.Wrong about Latinos. Wrong on voter opinion. Wrong about Obama's defeat. Wrong about the GOP taking back the Senate. Wrong about Democrats gaining seats in the House. Wrong about polls. Wrong about women. Wrong about the black vote. Wrong about the popular vote going to Romney. Wrong about Obama not being able to reach 300+ electoral votes.When you are this wrong on so much, it means you have a fundamental misunderstanding about politics. So,what gives you the right to govern?

Posted on Nov 13, 2012, 4:50:45 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
Ahhh, but in the fantasy world-bubble spun for them by Fox News and talk radio, they're always right. How is is THEIR fault if mean ol' reality fails to live up to their expectations?

Posted on Nov 13, 2012, 5:12:01 AM PST
lowbo says:
This is what happens when you get caught in the event horizon of the Fox flux feedback loop.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 5:36:51 AM PST
J.jones asks: "Conservatives: How Does It Feel to be So Wrong on So Much?"

For conservatives I'm betting it feels normal.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 8:15:29 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 8:27:40 AM PST
lowbo says:
10 out if 2 people are dyslexic

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 8:28:51 AM PST
What do you mean by conservatives being "wrong on Latinos"?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:02:34 AM PST
VRWC says:
What an ignorant question.... did you change your mind about the war or tax cuts when Bush beat Kerry by a similar margin in 2004 ?

It does not follow.... that because your side won a 50.6 to 47.8% victory, that conservatives should suddenly feel obligated to abandon 100% of their beliefs.... and it is really arrogant (as well as laughable) that you would think that we should.

Conservatives were wrong about election turnout.... had 0.3% of the vote.... or a bit over 400,000 of 120,000,000 votes, changed hands in the right swing states we would be talking about President elect Romney right now (granted this is true in most elections).

We're gonna squabble a bit now, just as you did after 2004 and 2010.... but we're not going away.... and a 50.6% majority does not entitle you to enact 100% of your ruinous statist philosophy....

Posted on Nov 13, 2012, 9:04:55 AM PST
D. Jones says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:06:32 AM PST
lowbo says:
Tell us about Republican fiscal responsibility.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:17:24 AM PST
VRWC says:
And by the way, of the two actual issues you mentioned (as opposed to polls and turnout) I don't think conservatives are wrong at all.

It is simply ludicrous to continue to leave our border open with a corrupt kleptocracy like Mexico, and it is not a losing issue with Latinos to say so.... most of them understand where the competition for their low wage jobs comes from.... it is ignorant liberals who fail to understand the relationship between 30 years of stagnant low income wages and 30 years of unstemmed low skill worker immigration.

A sensible policy that trades off closing the border for a gradual amnesty would be a huge vote getter, but politicians on both sides are too stupid to understand this.

As for understanding "women".... yes, liberals successfully demagogued the single woman's vote by pretending that legal abortion is really at risk (it never is) and somehow twisting one woman's desire to force Catholics to pay for her birth control into a phony "war against women".

I'm not sure exactly what you are going to do with that particular mandate.... and there will be huge civil disobedience among Catholic institutions if you try.... but by all means congratulations on frightening single women about imaginary bogeymen (Romney won the married women's vote 53 to 47%).

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:18:48 AM PST
A Purchaser says:
Knock yourself out, VRWC. Keep driving your national party rightward into oblivion, just as Republicans did in California, leading voters to award super-majorities to Democrats in both houses of the state legislature. At last, this state can overcome knee-jerk obstructionism of the tax hysterics and start moving the state forward.

Keep up the good work, you guys.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:19:41 AM PST
VRWC says:
No thanks.... the republicans have been horrible on fiscal responsibility, as have the democrats.

I like to think that Paul Ryan is leading a new generation of less clueless repubs, but we'll see if he gets the chance.

the only thing I am certain of is that liberals will remain as fiscally irresponsible as ever.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:27:45 AM PST
VRWC says:
I am actually delighted that the liberals won a supermajority in california.... there was no hope that the tiny band of republicans could have fixed anything and now democrats will preside fully over the impending bankruptcy.

Even the LA Times has a clue about what's coming.... oh dear.... they've already spent the tax hike and tax revenue is already coming in short of expectations.... what a huge frickin' surprise....;

Proposition 30 win no guarantee of fiscal safety for California

California's unstable tax base, debt and falling revenue are among the threats that could upend the budget despite the infusion from the passage of Proposition 30.

SACRAMENTO - The election wasn't even over Tuesday when state Treasurer Bill Lockyer's phone started ringing. Activists of all stripes had the same message for him: With voters apparently poised to approve billions of dollars in tax hikes, it was time to spend more money.

"They had to be reminded the money has already been spent," Lockyer said.

As California tries to shake its national reputation as a financial bungler, policymakers in Sacramento will be managing an estimated $6 billion in annual revenue from Gov. Jerry Brown's newly approved tax plan, Proposition 30. The money is already included in the budget the governor signed last summer.

.... Passage of Proposition 30 prevents billions of dollars in education cuts and gives the state an opportunity to end the fiscal year without a deficit for the first time in five years.

But California still has the lowest credit rating of any state. Its tax system is unstable. Borrowing costs remain high, and there are signs that the Brown administration's current $91.3-billion budget may be fraying at the seams as savings fail to meet expectations.

"By no means is California out of the woods yet," said Kil Huh, a director at the Pew Center on the States in Washington. "They've built up a set of challenges that are daunting for any state."

For starters, swings in the stock market can have an outsize effect on California's budget because the state relies so heavily on income taxes paid by the wealthy. In 2010, the richest 1% of Californians earned 21.3% of the income in the state and paid 40.9% of the state income taxes, according to the most recent government data available.

Gabriel Petek, an analyst at Standard & Poor's, noted that California has, over time, decreased more reliable sources of revenue, such as fees on motor vehicle registrations, while increasing less dependable ones, such as income taxes....

.... Administration officials counted on saving $3.1 billion in the current fiscal year with the dissolution of redevelopment agencies, but so far those savings have fallen far behind expectations. The nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office said the state could end up almost $1 billion short.

Finally, tax revenue has failed to match projections. The administration's most recent report showed it falling 2.1% below expectations in the current fiscal year, a $379-million drop.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-state-budget-20121112,0,811680.story

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 9:39:30 AM PST
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Brian Curtis says:
"the only thing I am certain of is that liberals will remain as fiscally irresponsible as ever"

Which is to say, not at all. Since the facts show that Democratic administrations are the only ones that reduce deficits and promote growth. Thanks for the compliment!

(You still haven't caught onto this whole 'reality' thing, have you?)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 10:00:57 AM PST
VRWC says:
Yes, I know that most democrats cling to the fiction that Clinton had something to do with briefly balancing the operating budget.... when in fact it was tech boom related tax revenue and the peace dividend.... neither of which had anything to do with democrats or Clinton.

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Posted on Nov 13, 2012, 10:06:23 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 10:08:26 AM PST
gop screwing up the govt since 1970 or so

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 10:09:46 AM PST
south texas says:
uh they have not had power that long, the dems had it for over 40 years and look at were we are at.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012, 10:11:52 AM PST
baby bush did more evil than all the preceding dems
without him no yobamamama to keep it moving along

suppose
just suppose
baby bush did not have two needless wars
cut spending instead of taxes
regulated wall street gambling
stopped the handout
cut back the size of govt

the economy would be booming
and the dems would not be in power with yet more spending and increasing govt and regs
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