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We need to PROTECT the Koran, and all other religious materials...


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Initial post: Feb 24, 2012, 9:57:39 AM PST
bperr says:
The sooner we start book banning and the like, the quicker we become that which we despise....

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2012, 10:19:42 AM PST
Lj3d says:
I agree. Once we start banning one type of book, won't be long till we find reasons to ban others and stifle democracy. Even though I'm agnostic, I think its wrong to ban religious books.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012, 11:29:20 AM PST
Ditto what Lj3d posted.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012, 11:46:55 AM PST
It isn't the Koran we should respect, but rather freedom of information and of expression. The Koran, like all other religious materials IMO, isn't special. If it is protected under the guise that it is, then these freedoms are undermined in favor of a perceived degree of respect for religious materials.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2012, 11:49:53 AM PST
Lj3d says:
Thats what were saying. Dont burn a book because its against the principles of freedom and democracy. I don't personally care one way or the other about the Koran.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2012, 11:50:31 AM PST
bperr says:
kinda my point

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 24, 2012, 12:18:16 PM PST
>>" Bperr says:
The sooner we start book banning and the like, the quicker we become that which we despise.... "<<

I agree........except that we as a society currently DO ban certain kinds of books. We have a ban on books of child pornography, and I think virtually everyone would agree that it is reasonable that we do.......it is done in the interest of protecting children.

But in addition to those books, I for one would have no problem restricting the sale of certain books that __while they purport to be good examples of behavior for America's children__ contain bloody and horrific tales of infants being slaughtered, of entire tribes of people being slaughtered by religious lunatics, that contains tales of all their animals being slaughtered by those same insane persons, that condones slavery, that recounts episodes of mass genocide and torture, that has tales of the ingestion of human feces, that contains tales of fathers submitting their daughters to be raped, and numerous other vile and sickening tales that are totally devoid of humanity. (the fact that it is filled with countless lies (presented as truth) and absurd anti-scientific notions is a secondary reason for it to be avoided)

Now, IF the tales in that book of horror were being presented as fiction, I would have no problem with it. But it is not only NOT being presented as fiction, it is (incredibly) being presented as (a) the absolute 100% truth, and (b) as something for our children to take "moral guidance" and instruction from.

For that reason, I find the book --just as I would a book of child pornography-- to be totally unsuitable for ingestion by children, or by any kind, caring, ethical and thoughtful human being.

Maybe we should --as a society-- simply burn all of them except a few hundred copies, to be kept in museums to remind us how incredibly barbaric and ignorant our ancestors of 2000 years ago were.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 24, 2012, 2:18:02 PM PST
"kinda my point"

It's hard to tell when you say "we should protest burning the Koran and ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS MATERIALS."

Clearly, it should go a little bit beyond all religious materials.

That said, we should ALSO protect an individual's right to burn the Koran if he or she so pleases.

Posted on Feb 24, 2012, 2:33:39 PM PST
D. Babcock says:
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Posted on May 21, 2012, 10:06:30 PM PDT
'probabilist says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 10:00:05 AM PDT
Well, right - we should not ban or burn.

Instead we should criticize, skewer, dissect, and expose the utter nonsense contained therein for all to see.

Posted on May 22, 2012, 11:19:32 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012, 11:22:53 AM PDT
Bubba says:
I don't see a problem with burning any book(s), as long as the people/person burning the book(s) owns the book(s). With few exceptions, the books that would be burned are still in print, people would simply be burning a copy of a book.

That said, book burning is usually a strong statement, and like all strong statements, it COULD be an indicator of something that is far more dangerous.

Posted on May 22, 2012, 11:31:22 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012, 12:02:43 PM PDT
Banning books is not a road the United States should go down. Books should not be banned. Freedom to have access to information, viewpoints etc... needs to be promoted.

I'm not in favor of banning the Christian bible or the Koran. Let people have access to them, buy them and read them to their hearts content.

However, some Christians seem to want to censor and ban particular books from libraries and bookstores that they have deemed as blasphemous toward their god. Well, if their god can create a universe, then I am sure the god can with its supernatural powers be able to vanquish any and all books that it deems as being blasphemous in an instant.

Some Christians get on this bandwagon of "Lets clean up America and cleanse it" by boycotting, putting pressure on local libraries etc... to remove books they don't agree with and in the process want to dictate to other adults what they can or cannot read.

When the Bible belt in 1966 were burning Beatle records for something that John Lennon said in an interview. Hey, if you want to burn your own property, that is fine with me. However, don't try and pressure our government to make it an official book burning bonfire to cleanse America.

I know Dr. Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" was banned in Turkey. Probably in other countries as well. That is very dangerous and I hope I never see the day when certain books or other reading material is banned in the United States because it disagrees with a prevailing point of view. After all, that is what the church did to Galileo. He was put under house arrest and the church suppressed Galileo's discovery that the Earth revolves around the Sun. The church wanted him to recant his theories because it ran counter to what was written in the Christian bible. It was the beginning of the end for the bible. Ever since, the bible has been shown to be incorrect at every turn.

However, if people want to read the Bible and have access to it. Buy 100 copies. No problem. That is their right.

More often than not, it is groups of the religious who want to control access to information. They try but thankfully they are unsuccessful.

The question always comes down to what right does one adult have over another adult to dictate to them what they should have access to read and what they should not have access to read. Not a good situation no matter how you view it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 11:49:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012, 11:52:53 AM PDT
Bubba,

I remember years ago that some singer ripped a picture of the Pope in half and groups of people really got bent out of shape about it. It was a picture. Big deal. Now if those same people used all that energy of hatred toward that singer and utilized it toward bringing up some of these child molesting priests to justice, then they could truly have a cause for anger. Ripping the Pope's picture. Lack of respect? Yeah. So what. It doesn't compare to the lack of respect the church has for the children who were molested by their priests over the last several decades. Far more psychological damage is done to the molested children than a split second ripping of the Pope's picture on television. Strange and mixed up priorities.

Posted on May 22, 2012, 12:16:37 PM PDT
Rev Otter says:
if i download a Koran (or the Bible or The God Delusion) to my Kindle, then delete it, does that count as "burning"?

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 12:18:32 PM PDT
I think you've stumbled on an idea for a great app. Pages going into dramatic flames and going up in a flash.

Posted on May 22, 2012, 12:18:42 PM PDT
jpl says:
We need to PROTECT the Koran, and all other religious materials...

jpl: No, no, my friend: we need to protect non-theists, regardless of religious writings.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 12:26:48 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012, 12:31:00 PM PDT
Bubba says:
If you bought it from Amazon, you simply need to re-download it to your Kindle. Deleting a book from your Kindle AND from your account so that you are not able to re-download it might count as "burning" it.

Somehow, deleting a file from your reading device and removing your access to a replacement file from a central server just doesn't have the same psychological effect as burning a book in a huge pyre in the middle of a street.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Don't forget to "delete" access to it from the archive server. Just deleting the book from the Kindle is sort of like just burning the bag that the book came in.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 12:55:37 PM PDT
Customer says:
if we could utterly incinerate some ideas the world would be a better place

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 1:00:02 PM PDT
Rev Otter says:
<<if we could utterly incinerate some ideas the world would be a better place>>

as long as *I* get to decide which ideas stay and which go, fine.

/yes, i'm joking
//but i hope it illustrates the problem

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 1:09:19 PM PDT
Customer says:
hey Rev., you and I should decide..

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 1:35:28 PM PDT
Harry Marks says:
Sci Mind -

"the church suppressed Galileo's discovery that the Earth revolves around the Sun."

That has so many inaccuracies I don't know where to start. Why don't we settle for the fact that Copernicus, quite a while before Galileo, "discovered" that the Earth goes around the Sun, rather than vice-versa.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 1:51:17 PM PDT
That was Sinead O'conner.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012, 1:53:08 PM PDT
"if we could utterly incinerate some ideas the world would be a better place"

That act would do far more harm than whichever ideas you personally object to. Censorship is worse than whatever is being censored.
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