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Same-Sex Marriage Measures Passing in Maryland and Maine

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Initial post: Nov 6, 2012 10:07:50 PM PST
"CLEVELAND - Maryland and Maine appeared poised to become the first states in the nation to back same-sex marriage at the ballot box Tuesday night, and other gay-marriage measures were on the ballot in Minnesota and Washington.

The issue had been before voters 32 times and had been rejected every time. But activists say public opinion has shifted since 2008, when California passed a constitutional amendment reserving marriage for heterosexual couples. A 2010 poll showed that, for the first time, more Americans supported gay marriage than opposed it, and in May, President Obama endorsed same-sex marriage.

A win in any of the four states would suggest that momentum is on the side of gay marriage activists, said Fred Sainzo, a spokesman at the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group that has donated $5 million to gay marriage proponents in the four states."

From a different article:
"Statewide ballot measures to legalize same-sex marriage took the lead in Washington and passed in Maryland and Maine on Tuesday, as proponents of marriage equality broke a string of 32 consecutive losses in statewide votes on the contentious social issue.

Referendum 74 in this state was leading 51.8 percent to 48.2 percent, largely on the strength of support from populous King County and other Puget Sound counties. It was being roundly rejected in Eastern Washington and in more socially conservative counties of Southwest Washington.

In a state that rejected marriage equality in 2009, same-sex marriage passed by a narrow 52-48 percent margin in Maine. The contest won a 52-48 percent victory in Maryland, where Catholic Archbishop William Lori required priests to read a pastoral letter denouncing same-sex marriage from the pulpits of his diocese.

But opponents of same-sex marriage faced a stinging defeat in a fourth state. Minnesota voters were rejecting a state constitutional amendment - relentlessly promoted by Catholic bishops, but opposed by Protestant denominations and Catholic laity - that would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman."

Are we seeing the definitive turn of the tide? For the first time, we are seeing *popular votes* upholding same-sex marriage.

What do you think?

(And in case you were wondering, I posted this in the Religion forum to go along with the two Proposition 8 discussions, and because the vast majority of the organized resistance to the legalization of same-sex marriage is coming from groups and individuals who claim a religious justification for that opposition)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2012 10:44:48 PM PST
DMP says:
This is great news, of course--but the big problem is that no one, no American should think, ever, that they have the power to vote on the rights of other Americans.

I am deeply grateful, however, that the tide is turning toward equality for all.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 1:58:19 AM PST
AxeGrrl says:
*doing a jig for my American brothers and sisters*

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 3:11:45 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2012 3:14:04 AM PST
Bubba says:
Minnesota voters have rejected the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. It doesn't mean that Marriage Equality will be coming to Minnesota, but it is a step in the right direction.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 3:16:42 AM PST
Bubba says:
Republican Senator Mark Grisanti, who voted for the marriage equality legislation that passed the New York state legislature last year, won his race for reelection to the New York state legislature.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 3:24:30 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
In addition, the U.S. now has its first openly gay senator: Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin.

The bigots and homophobes are on their way out; America has left them behind.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 3:30:58 AM PST
B. Josephson says:
The battle is not over, but the writing is written on the wall.

Gay marriages are slowly but surely becoming accepted in the United States.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 3:57:24 AM PST
Bubba says:
Hopefully, Marriage Equality will come all at once to the US in the first half of next year.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 4:33:22 AM PST
Alan says:
Perhaps there will come a time when there is a President in a same-sex marriage. After all it isn't that long ago that a black President was considered impossible. How then would the Presidential partner be formally addressed?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 4:37:50 AM PST
I join you in this jig **

Its a happy day! Its a glorious moment!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 4:39:23 AM PST
Oh Alan

They are going to scratch their heads for a while..
The First Partner? :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 4:53:24 AM PST
Brian Curtis says:
First Spouse will probably cover it--since they'll be LEGALLY MARRIED.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 4:58:39 AM PST
Bubba says:
In many gay clubs, the partner or husband of the president is formally addressed as The First Lady, and is informally called "TFL"; pronounced TIF-uhl. At annual club gatherings, the current and former TFLs usually have a party, called a ""TFL Tea", although they don't serve tea or little pastries.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 5:04:07 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2012 5:05:46 AM PST
Bubba says:
If they are married, he would be the president's husband, and he would not be referred to as the president's "partner". The situation is not limited to a gay president, it would be no different than if the president was a woman who was married to a man. Perhaps "The First Gentleman".

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 5:15:09 AM PST
Bubba says:
As of 0500 EST, with the vote count still incomplete, Washington's Referendum 74 was ahead with 52 percent of the votes. Same-sex couples could be applying for marriage licenses in Washington on Dec. 6.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 5:26:05 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2012 5:42:46 AM PST
Bubba says:
The reason for the slow balloting in Washington is that many Washingtonians vote by mail, and the ballots had to be postmarked by election day.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 5:38:30 AM PST
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Posted on Nov 7, 2012 5:41:25 AM PST
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Bubba says:
Summary of when Same-sex couples can begin applying for marriage licenses:

Maine mid-December.
Maryland in January.
Washington on Dec. 6 (win is not yet official).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 7:09:12 AM PST
Amon says:
'Bout damn time. Hopefully this will continue across the US.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 9:14:36 AM PST
DMP says:
Great article by Michelangelo Signorile:

"No longer will politicians -- or anyone -- be able to credibly claim to be supportive of gays, and to love and honor their supposed gay friends and family, while still being opposed to basic and fundamental rights like marriage.

"The very ads pushed by the enemies of gay rights, like the mastermind behind the antigay ballot measures, Frank Schubert, which claim you can support gay equality but be against gay marriage, no longer hold water. From now on, you're no friend to gays if you don't support full equality, and you're a bigot if you try to defend that position."

More at:

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 9:35:30 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Congrats to all may gay friends on these victories. And congrats to all my straight friends for living in a country that is increasingly supportive of the rights of all. More to do, but it will get done.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 9:37:07 AM PST
Those who oppose same-sex marriage can no longer claim that the majority is behind them, or that same-sex marriage is being forced by politicians and "activist judges."

They had nothing legitimate to support their position before, and now it is *clear* they have nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:38:03 PM PST
robb says:
All Washingtonians vote by mail.
Have another 750,000 votes to count but the percentages are holding for gov and R74.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:41:36 PM PST
Blu Boy says:
THANK YOU! Human rights should never be up for popular vote.

Posted on Nov 7, 2012 10:46:13 PM PST
Blu Boy says:
I am grateful to live in an age of change. I am grateful that people continue to disagree with the status quo and who can't help but empathize with those around them.

Today I am grateful for America! There is still much to be done but let's continue moving forward.
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