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Is atheism elitist?


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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:00:10 AM PDT
I. Dunn,

Scientific Mind says:I sometimes question whether some Christians have both oars in the water.

I. Dunn writes "or as in your case, any oars at all."

The day you can match my resume I. Dunn, then you can speak. Until then it is probably best you keep your inane personal quips to yourself and listen up. You might learn something.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:07:06 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
What? Christians walking away from the faith! Whodathunkit! ;)

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:12:14 AM PDT
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Jesus4us says:
My husband, on the other hand, was raised in a culturally Jewish but explicitly atheist family. Early on, his parents told him that they did not believe in God. He tells me that he felt relieved. He had several friends in elementary school that were raised Catholic and who went to catechism class on Wednesday afternoons and church on Sunday's and that was all cool. But my husband said he felt happy that he did not have to do things like go to Hebrew school or partake in any sort of worship. He said it was liberating to him

spl: Hmmm, I can relate. I quit going to church with my mother at maybe 12 or 13. And I was glad I didn't have to go to church or do any kind of worship. I mean, it was cool to me to be atheist because my dad was one, and I loved him to death! Then at 18 I started looking for a God due to some problems I couldn't deal with.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:15:53 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:17:57 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
mra: As long as there are developmental problems, you can keep learning for the rest of your life, a process by which you become more intelligent.

spl: Do you have any sources to badck that up? I've always heard that your knowledge can increase, but not your IQ, which tests your level of intelligence.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:19:57 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
But getting back to the childhood indoctrination, one of my points in sharing my childhood story is to highlight the fact that even if a child's parents aren't particularly religious and don't make their children go to church or Sunday school, there is an all pervading message that is infused throughout this society, in all the messages coming through the media, that believing in Godis the natural, normal, default position. Not to believe in God is considered an aberration at best and criminal at worst. Unless a child's family actually actively encourages disbelief, it is difficult for a typical child in our society to admit to his or herself that they do not believe because it isn't considered normal not to, and children generally desire to feel that they are normal and fit in. And when you combine that with the overt religious education that is common in America, the pressure to conform in belief is actually overwhelming for most children.

spl: True, for the most part.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:22:00 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Scientific Mind says:I sometimes question whether some Christians have both oars in the water.

I. Dunn says:
or as in your case, any oars at all. \
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spl: Uh oh! He's not going to like that! :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:35:57 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Well, it seems your argument is that elitism is not bad? And I'm not necessarily saying it's bad, just that it's exclusionary.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:37:21 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Lao says: Fascinating. Would Evangelical Christians also be elitist, according to your standard?

spl: Quite the opposite! Anyone can be a Christian. And God does the choosing, not man.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:38:42 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Lao says: funny Jack, I was thinking exactly the opposite. Only Socialism insists that people of unequal talents and drive should get equal rewards, through the mechanism of the state. Capitalism is the only system that allows elites to keep the wealth they earn. So the reasoning is exactly the opposite of what you suggested, yes?

spl: And Christianity sees neither rich nor poor, but that we are all one in Christ. Every other attribute is of minor importance compared to being in Christ.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:39:56 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
lt: Many are not up to the task. High IQ people have more trouble avoiding the facts they are presented with.

spl: That's why God had to show me many miracles. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:41:44 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
Nick: Unless, of course, they are gay - in which case you argue that your god refers to them in denigrating terms.

spl: Nope! Gays have the same value as straights, and pedophiles, and murderers, in God's eyes. We're all sinners in need of His love and guidance.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:42:48 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
spl: But the issue is not whether atheism is correct. The issue is whether the atheistic movement is elitist. Christianity is not elitist. Anyone can be a Christian, and get the same value from belief in God that anyone else can get. We can all be followers of Christ, and get the same benefit, the awesome love of God, rich or poor, high or low IQ, talented and untalented, beautiful or ugly, etc.

Nick: gay or straight ...

spl: Like I said, God accepts all sinners. All you have to do is be willing to repent like the rest of us.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 12:44:20 AM PDT
Jesus4us says:
sm: The day you can match my resume I. Dunn, then you can speak.

spl: Oh puhleeeeeeze! You arrogance is showing!

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 2:25:36 AM PDT
Allan says:
Allan: We ARE genetically evolved as a tribal/pack/herd animal, Steve.

It's just that only a few of us are Alphas, something you need to come to terms with.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 2:28:10 AM PDT
Allan says:
spl: True, for the most part.

Allan: Including, I see, endorsement of my post to you on another thread explaining cultural conditioning. [Thanks, SK, nicely timed ;-) ]

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 2:29:14 AM PDT
Allan says:
StevePL says: Well, it seems your argument is that elitism is not bad? And I'm not necessarily saying it's bad, just that it's exclusionary.

Allan: And the Abrahamic religions AREN'T?

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 5:30:03 AM PDT
Nick says:
StevePL writes: Like I said, God accepts all sinners. All you have to do is be willing to repent like the rest of us.

Nick: And there it is! I was waiting for it. You are arguing that your god accepts gays, so long as they stop being gay. In other words, your god doesn't accept gays.

Let me put it in terms you understand: if I were to say I accept Christians, so long as you renounce Christ, then I really don't accept Christians.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 5:35:07 AM PDT
Ku says:
"spl: Nah, you're in denial. You are all part of a herd, with the herd mentality."

What are you talking about? Atheists don't congregate at the same place every Sunday morning and sing songs together and listen to common stories.

It's kinda reflecting badly on me exchanging posts with you, spl. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 5:39:59 AM PDT
Allan says:
spl: How can they get someone to believe an impossible story, such as Noah's Ark or Jonah and the Whale?

Allan: Do they ACTUALLY believe it, Steve?

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 5:43:47 AM PDT
Allan says:
You are missing a ''no'' here, Mark.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 5:56:34 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
spl: True, for the most part

SK: I am truly stunned!

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 6:21:14 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
If God does the choosing it means that not anyone can be a Christian. In other words, YOU cannot choose for yourself. Only God can make the choice.

You've backed yourself into an elitist corner, Steve.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 6:22:43 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
You're welcome, Allan.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012, 6:26:31 AM PDT
Lao Tzu says:
StevePL says:

Lao says: Fascinating. Would Evangelical Christians also be elitist, according to your standard?

spl: Quite the opposite! Anyone can be a Christian. And God does the choosing, not man.

Then Lao says: Steve, my humor is that you think some creator of the universe, in which our entire planet is an insignificant speck, would actually take the time to talk to you or me, or care about whether we worship him. Religion is so clearly man made.
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