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The Jews killed Christ .Why should we fight for The Jews.


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 1, 2012, 6:55:29 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
There was a TV show on awhile ago that tried to answer the question "Who killed Jesus ?".

The three candidates were as I recall:

Pilate
Ciaphas
Christ Himself

Judas was conspicuously missing from the list.

Anyway their conclusion was Christ caused His own death.

Logistically speaking that is true. He knew what was going to happen and He could have escaped.

But the other question is who was 'spiritually' responsible.

Christ had become a threat to the Jewish religious leaders for several reasons I think. He was gaining a large following with the people for one thing. This was attracting the attention of the Roman authorities.

But Christ had gone into the temple and tipped over the money changers tables. He accused the religious leaders of turning the temple into a den of thieves. That was another threat for them as they were getting some of that money.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 1, 2012, 7:56:09 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 1, 2012, 8:52:14 PM PDT
Harold Lime says:
Jeff M.: "Then there's the so called 'Gospel Of Judas' which says Christ secretly told Judas to hand Christ over to the authorities. So Judas is really a hero. Using that logic it was really Christ who double crossed Judas by allowing Himself to be crucified !"

That logic does not follow at all, as you'd know if you'd actually read it. You might as well acquaint yourself with its contents first hand before commenting on it: it's a quick enough read and easily findable online.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 1, 2012, 8:54:04 PM PDT
Harold Lime says:
NB, Jeff.

Posted on Apr 1, 2012, 8:58:41 PM PDT
Helene says:
Roundabout Rodent:
I feel sad for you. You are not a TRUE Christian. Jews could easily say: "Christians killed us. Why should we care about Christians?"

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 1, 2012, 9:06:00 PM PDT
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Helene says:
chasmcg: you are wrong that "Jews say that Holocaust happened because of the sins of the Jews". It is true that a few, very few, of the jews feel this way, but most don't. Most see the truth: that the Holocaust happened because of Hitler's power, because Germans supported him, and/or failed to stop him, because of a long history of serious anti-Semitism in Europe (called "The World's Longest Hatred"); because the Allies and other 'safe' countries closed their doors to many of the fleeing Jews; and because the Allies refused to do things like bomb the railroad tracks which led to Auschwitz, and for many, many other reasons. Oh yes - and because Christians REFUSED to act like true Christians. Very few back then asked "What would Jesus do?" And you are one of them. "What would Jesus say as to this discussion? Not anything even close to what you have said".

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 2:22:37 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Robert: jeff what about the other gospels that were banned by constantine? were they false or true?

M_S: What are the titles of these gospels, and what Roman documents tell us that Constantine banned them?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 2:24:37 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Jeff,
I agree, completely, that there was no conspiracy involved. Have you ever read Elizabeth Loftus on the consistency of eyewitness accounts?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 2:25:14 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
I'm not sure about the color ...

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 4:03:25 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Mens Sana says:

[Have you ever read Elizabeth Loftus on the consistency of eyewitness accounts ?]

No. Consistency of what accounts ?

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 4:22:32 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
It is the inconsistency in accounts of shared experiences that's important. Check her out through Google.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 5:06:29 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Mens Sana says:

[It is the inconsistency in accounts of shared experiences that's important.]

I thought I had heard the name Elizabeth Loftus before. She's an "expert" on false memories.

She came up in this book I read recently:

Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience: The True Story of the World's First Documented Alien Abduction

She feels that alien abductions are false memories that hypnotherapists induce people to imagine.

She's a skeptical person and an atheist it looks like. Her views about the bible are going to be skewed towards the skeptical side.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 5:09:55 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Jeff Marzano: Her views about the bible are going to be skewed towards the skeptical side.

M_S: I have no idea what her views about the Bible are, and whatever they are, they are irrelevant to her investigations in the inconsistency of eyewitness testimony.

Posted on Apr 3, 2012, 5:24:54 PM PDT
pace says:
I am gonna clearify something: As a Jew i've studied both the Tanach and the NT and i say that a) Jesus was supposed to die (He was the Lamb), b) He put down His own life willingly (according to the NT), c) the issue of who killed Him is not relevant in the Bible.
Christians are crafted on the olive tree (Israel), yet they keep on bashing the Jews. You've all been brainwashed by the teachings of the Catholic church with their so called 'replacement theology', but one day you'll be held responsible for your antisemitism.
If you really think we [Jews] killed Jesus, be grateful to us because thanks to this 'atrocity' you'll get eternal life.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 5:28:27 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Mens Sana says:

[M_S: I have no idea what her views about the Bible are, and whatever they are, they are irrelevant to her investigations in the inconsistency of eyewitness testimony.]

Yes that is true. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate sometimes as many falsely convicted people in prison can attest to. This is especially true when someone is trying to identify a person who had attacked them and they only saw them during the attack.

There's a theory that Moses was able to part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian soldiers because he was able to control the force of gravity.

First he used gravity to move the water and allow the Hebrews to walk across the lake bed.

Then when the Egyptian soldiers tried to get across he increased the pull of gravity on them so that they became very heavy and couldn't move. Then I guess he made the water come back and drown them.

The bible states that the Egyptians got stuck in the mud in the lake bed. But in that case why didn't the Hebrews who had already walked across also get stuck ?

My point is even an eyewitness to this strange event may not have understood what really happened.

This gets into stories about the strange powers of the Ark Of The Covenant and how Moses could control this device using his staff.

Jeff Marzano

Initiation in the Great Pyramid (Astara's library of mystical classics)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 5:33:35 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
pace says:

[You've all been brainwashed by the teachings of the Catholic church with their so called 'replacement theology', but one day you'll be held responsible for your antisemitism.]

Judaism and Christianity had a philosophical parting of the ways due to Jesus Christ.

Antisemitism may be a part of those differences for some Christians but not all.

The bigotry I have seen today among Christians seems to be directed more at the Muslims. They feel the Muslims want to kill all the Christians and take over the world. I guess some probably do.

I was shocked one day when a highly paid professional in a major company took me aside one day right in the workplace and told me how the Muslims want to take over the world.

He was crazy saying that in the workplace. If someone heard what he said and took offense to it he may have had a major problem.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 6:52:38 PM PDT
A. Caplan says:
Jeff Marzano says: There's a theory that Moses was able to part the Red Sea and drown the Egyptian soldiers because he was able to control the force of gravity.
>Exodus does not say that Moses parted the Red Sea. it says that G-d did. Anyway, it's just a story. if a group of slaves actually escaped Egypt, there are several interpretations of the story that do not involve miracles.

Posted on Apr 3, 2012, 7:26:37 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
What I said about Moses parting the Red Sea does not exclude God's involvement.

But it includes knowledge Moses learned about as a member of the ancient and secret Egyptian priesthood.

The initiation process allowed people to reach various levels of spiritual evolution which I am showing below based on Elisabeth Haich's book.

As far as the Exodus account being 'just a story', many millions of people disagree.

Jeff Marzano

Initiation

Elisabeth Haich talks about the 'seven octaves of God' that she learned about during her past life experience in Egypt when she experienced the Egyptian initiation rites.

These are:

Physical - Mineral and Plant
Emotional - Animal
Mental - Average man
Intuitive - Genius
Atmic - Prophet
Monadic - Divine Wisdom and Universal Love
Logoic - God/Man

I think she felt that Moses attained all of those levels.

It says in the bible that Moses' face started to give off an eerie glow at some point.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 9:10:44 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Jeff Marzano,

There is also a theory that if you go to platform 4 1/2 in Grand Central Station, at precisely 11:32AM on the fourth Tuesday of any odd month, you can board a train that will take you to Atlantis.

Posted on Apr 3, 2012, 9:44:04 PM PDT
D. Mulhollen says:
Mena,
If Amtrak hasn't cut that route in a cost-cutting effort.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 9:53:20 PM PDT
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Posted on Apr 3, 2012, 9:58:26 PM PDT
Pamela says:
The Jews and Romans were both responsible for the death of Jesus. The Jews sent Him to the cross; the Romans didn't prevent His crucifixion and drove the nails into his wrists. Who's to blame? We all are. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. He went to the cross for the sins of humanity so that all who put their trust in God and in Jesus Christ will be freed from slavery to sin and its penalty.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 11:28:18 PM PDT
Sarah says:
Not I. I never caused any such thing. I wasn't even there. Anyway, it is dishonorable to let someone else die for your own sins, even if God would permit it, which he does not.

Only the one who sins shall die. The son shall not be charged with the guilt of his father, nor shall the father be charged with the guilt of his son. The virtuous man's virtue shall be his own, as the wicked man's wickedness shall be his. Ezekiel 18:20

But if the wicked man turns away from all the sins he committed, if he keeps all my statutes and does what is right and just, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Ezekiel 18:21

None of the crimes he committed shall be remembered against him; he shall live because of the virtue he has practiced. Ezekiel 18:22

Do I indeed derive any pleasure from the death of the wicked? says the Lord GOD. Do I not rather rejoice when he turns from his evil way that he may live? Ezekiel 18:23

If Jesus really claimed he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences, he was tragically mistaken and misled a lot of people. Did he actually say that he was dying to pay for other people's sins and to liberate them from the consequences? In what verse?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2012, 11:34:37 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Another no vote for the amateur troll.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012, 1:18:29 AM PDT
I am not a Jew, I am a bible believer. I largely agree, based on the bible with what Pace has written. When Peter and the apostles addressed Israel in Acts 2 and following, the point was that they had killed "the Prince of life" ; however, they were urged to believe in WHO JESUS WAS, to be saved. Though thousands did believe, the nation rejected the truth, and thus-- the 12 apostles commission became inoperative as God turned to the Gentiles through Saul/Paul.
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