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There's concern that the White House is promoting religion with christmas trees?


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Initial post: Dec 23, 2012, 8:37:48 AM PST
Christmas trees along with Santa Claus represent paganism and are symbols of secular and commerical celebrations and not Christianity. So be assured there is no conflict between church and state with trees in the White House. There are no crosses or nativity scenes but there is a menorah which is strictly a Jewish religious symbol. Feel free to complain about that...

FYI- Santa is an anagram for Satan and they both wear red suits too.
I suppose that has religious connotations.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012, 4:28:49 PM PST
(®_0) says:
Why can't Satan have a happy holidays?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 4:57:23 PM PST
witchie+ says:
I thought that Santa Clause tradition came from the Christian, Saint Nicholas.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012, 5:12:30 PM PST
50Olds says:
The Santa Claus tradition was not originally associated with the holiday tree custom, which was Roman in origin.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 5:46:20 PM PST
catholic irish person
not christian

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 5:53:17 PM PST
witchie+ says:
I thought St Nicholas came from the Neatherlands.

Apparently, you have your own special definition of Christian. If someone claims to be a Christian, I accept their claim. Why should anyone care?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:12:39 PM PST
Joe Anthony says:
Kathleen M. Pelley says;

"I thought St Nicholas came from the Neatherlands."

I say:

St. Nick, a.k.a. "Santa Clause" is North Polish.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:17:02 PM PST
50Olds says:
Catholics are Christians.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:18:10 PM PST
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"Saint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Sinterklaas. He was a 4th century Greek Christian bishop of Myra (now Demre) in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.[6] He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity. In continental Europe (more precisely the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Germany) he is usually portrayed as a bearded bishop in canonical robes. In 1087, the Italian city of Bari, wanting to enter the profitable pilgrimage industry of the times, mounted an expedition to locate the tomb of the Christian Saint and procure his remains. The reliquary of St. Nicholas was conquered by Italian sailors and the spoils, including his relics, taken to Bari[7][8] where they are kept to this day. A basilica was constructed the same year to store the loot and the area became a pilgrimage site for the devout, thus justifying the economic cost of the expedition. Saint Nicholas was later claimed as a patron saint of many diverse groups, from archers, sailors, and children to pawnbrokers.[6][9] He is also the patron saint of both Amsterdam and Moscow.[10]"

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:18:21 PM PST
50Olds says:
No, Santa Clause would be North Polishe.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:20:38 PM PST
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'probabilist says:
> Santa Clause would be North Polishe.

...and "Santa Baby" would be ... ?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:22:18 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Catholics were the first Christians.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:22:57 PM PST
But if Obama is a communist/socialist/Muslim/Kenyan, why would he allow such symbols of bourgeois capitalistic excess and materialistic enslavement?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:23:31 PM PST
You got problems with the Irish, Horse's Behind?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:27:23 PM PST
witchie+ says:
very funny

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:33:27 PM PST
'probabilist says:
nancy Davison wrote:

> Catholics were the first Christians.

The Eastern Orthodox Church might dispute that, especially in Antioch.

,.-)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:42:11 PM PST
Astrocat says:
They might, but I don't think they'd have any legs to stand on if they did.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 6:55:20 PM PST
'probabilist says:
> They might, but I don't think they'd have any legs to stand on if they did.

Hmmm...

Which of these two cities did Paul preach in first? Rome? or Antioch?

,.-)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 7:03:05 PM PST
Astrocat says:
Prob, the first Christians were not necessarily Roman Catholic. They were Catholic, and that does include the Eastern Orthodox. My point was that they were not separate from the original Catholic religion, which was, actually, first founded in Jerusalem, and not in Rome.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 7:20:57 PM PST
'probabilist says:
Fair enough.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012, 7:52:06 PM PST
Bubba says:
"Santa Baby" would be lucky.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 24, 2012, 10:57:45 AM PST
50Olds says:
Santa Babye, of course.

Posted on Dec 24, 2012, 3:02:37 PM PST
Yog-Sothoth says:
Well, Christmas tree are, in themselves NOT any sort of Christian symbol, but rather a pagan tradition that was adopted by both Christians and o-Christians as a symbol of the holiday.

Of course OBSERVING Christmas itself would actually be promoting, or practicing Christianity, regardless of one's faith, or lack thereof.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2012, 4:23:21 PM PST
50Olds says:
The OP has a question mark at the end. What is the question?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2012, 4:54:26 PM PST
Astrocat says:
There is no question, D., the OP demonstrates the crumbling of the English language and the demise of its proper usage.
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