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Authors manipulating review sites

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:30:38 PM PST
Winter says:
*Arches brow loftily*
Bed minks are house-trained. I thought everyone knew that.
*flicks imaginary speck of dust from the nearest pelt before retreating under it for a na....to test the temperature.*

Posted on Nov 6, 2011, 7:31:28 PM PST
What happens to this author when people who believe the 10 5-star reviews find out the book isn't worth only 5-star reviews? Do they continue to sell books or do people gradually learn to avoid said author?

If the author's book is worth 5-star reviews couldn't she be doing herself a real disservice by trying to get notice too quickly with unethical practices? Do authors who use these tactics win out in the long run?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:43:04 PM PST
"Do authors who use these tactics win out in the long run? "

I can only say in the m/m genre, being a dishonest blowhard is a positive advantage to one's saleability.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:44:51 PM PST
miniminions!

Mignon minions, even :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:45:04 PM PST
I would hardly think so. Readers may be fooled into the buying one book but if there is no substance then most are not going to buy a second. There will be a few purchasing that second book because there is no accounting for tastes. Unethical tactics hinder the development of a strong base of customers, which are necessary for a successful business.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:53:12 PM PST
Well, since your experience trumps my wishful thinking, I humbly bow down to you.

Posted on Nov 6, 2011, 7:54:31 PM PST
Night y'all.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2011, 7:57:56 PM PST
I think it depends if the cheating author actually has a modicum of talent. Some actually do.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 1:18:48 AM PST
thanks Ann...I have to say on the convo in the m/m group, some of the more prominent ppl n the group - including 2 of the mods condemned the behavior of the author - so while there are lots jumping on the support the author bandwagon, there are also lots who are saying thanks but no thanks - and since I judge lots of books I look at by who in that group has read them, that works for me

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 1:28:27 AM PST
"some of the more prominent ppl n the group - including 2 of the mods condemned the behavior of the author "

Glad to hear it because all I've seen has been pro-author. Though I've had two emails which indicate anger with Llewellyn. One of the m/m mods has posted on Llewellyn's blog offering him support which I found really off. Seems to me there is no grey area here - trans or not, Llewellyn went well beyond what anyone else has done, and for pure monetary gain.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 3:54:31 AM PST
I did see that, but then at least 2 others have expressed displeasure and the probability of not buying any books by her in the future.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 5:41:57 AM PST
Jan Fergerson here, and I find this practice disgusting! Where can one go to get authenic reviews?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 6:40:07 AM PST
Here's a link to MBR's Jim Cox's interview:

http://www.jordanlapp.com/midwest-book-review-talks-about-amazoncom

Cox says MBR reviewers don't post less than five stars on amazon.

But you say you've seen some four stars by MBR posted on amazon? Can you provide links?

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I'm just now getting back to this thread, sorry for the delay in answering. Thanks for the link to the blog interview, it was interesting.

I don't have any links because it's just something noticed in passing, not for any specific book. I don't want to just randomly start looking! :) It could be that the reviews were older ones. He didn't state how long the policy had been in effect. He did state that the 5 star policy only applied to their in-house people, so there's also a good chance the 4 star reviews were from the freelancers.

Whatever the situation, I found his reasoning for the 5 star policy to be ridiculous. It certainly doesn't do anything of service to book shoppers. And I also find his claims of being a legit review site highly suspect in light of the actual reviews I see on Amazon. Maybe that was more true at one time. But I can't remember seeing a scathing Midwest Book Review on Amazon, though I'd guess there are probably a few out there, and likely pretty old ones.

Posted on Nov 7, 2011, 7:18:36 AM PST
Emerald says:
<<Whatever the situation, I found his reasoning for the 5 star policy to be ridiculous.>>

I agree. How can MBR argue "filtering" when it has posted more than 50,000 amazon reviews?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 7:36:59 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2011, 7:39:01 AM PST
You know, another thing on the MBR 5 star policy. One of the commenters on the blog post you linked to suggested that MBR state their policy at the end of each review. That would at least give book buyers the needed info. If no one knows it's a protest against numeric rating systems then it's not actually a protest, instead it's an actively misleading strategy.

Cox said he'd consider it. Well that interview was in 2007. How much consideration does it take?!

Since that wasn't done for their reviews I can only assume that the stated reason for the policy is bogus and something else is at work.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 9:06:26 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 9:10:07 AM PST
Jared Foster says:
Haha, yes I do. I've taken a long hard look at the world of self-pub, even if I've never had the desire to join in. Little Joe Blow writing a couple reviews for himself isn't a big problem. People like McCray and the other indie gurus that TEACH people to write reviews for themselves--they're the problem. Largely because they are selling in significant numbers.
Send me an e-mail at nickels812@gmail.com if you'd like to talk about this. I have a plan that I think will work.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:06:32 AM PST
ahh, and as predicted she has come out placing blame on everyone else...they don't know her, how dare they, should haev addressed it with me privately first...tell you what, time to put on your big girl/boy panties - which ever and face the outcome of YOUR mistakes - IOW - suck it up buttercup ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:09:22 AM PST
anyone else find this all creepy?

Jared, nothing about what you're discussing needs to be taken to private email. It's inappropriate of you to keep tring to do so.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:10:48 AM PST
Again, this is exactly what we've seen with plagiarists etc over and over.

I've had a few supportive comments dropped on my blog overnight, and I wonder if Llewellyn is deleting criticism on his pages. We won't know. But he's earning no respect from me over this.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:16:40 AM PST
@ Deanna- what's this about now?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:17:46 AM PST
Same thing we were talking about yesterday - the author pretending to be a gay man complete with actor stand in.

Posted on Nov 7, 2011, 11:20:43 AM PST
Ah. So this one's a male?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:38:15 AM PST
nope, this one is a female who has been writing as a male, but more to the point, has had a guy play her at a book signing and has written articles on being a gay male

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2011, 11:43:48 AM PST
Jared Foster says:
Very well. I'm talking about taking them on. Go after the people advocating fake reviews. Read their books, or at very least the samples, and write honest reviews. Organize in sufficient numbers to counteract the "fans". I'm merely suggesting that we stop whining and complaining and start doing something about it. I'm sorry if you find that creepy.
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