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Posted on Apr 29, 2013, 5:29:30 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2013, 9:41:22 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Dave vicks says:

[Someone asked has a professianal Photogrpher rever taken a picture of a UFO ?]

Many years ago I ordered some VHS tapes about a guy named Billy Meier. These tapes show video of flying saucers that was shot by a Japanese film crew. The saucers exhibited metaphysical actions such as de-materializing and then reappearing somewhere else in the sky.

Meier's story is strange because he describes the beautiful woman that he associates with the saucers. One is named Semjasa which is the name of a fallen angel. You can do a web search on 'Images for Semjase' to see some of the pictures that Meier claims are this strange being.

I think Billy mentions some of the mythological gods as being part of his experiences like Astaroth.

I began to sense an evil energy emanating from these VHS tapes and had to destroy them late one night.

Like many people who are involved with so called alien beings Meier has also experienced what I guess would be called poltergeist activity.

There have been quite a few assassination attempts on Billy also. Probably the Men In Black.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Attempts_on_Billy's_Life

Posted on Mar 29, 2013, 12:59:17 PM PDT
Dave Vicks says:
Someone asked has a professianal Photogrpher rever taken a picture of a UFO?

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jdown says:
For me, what is most interesting about UFOs is, Why do people see them? A book I just read, Lost at Sea, offers some insight. The book consists of accounts of sea disasters, from the SS Waratah, which vanished without a trace off South Africa, to the Titanic, which of course came to grief due to that iceberg.

The common thread running through all the stories is this: when such tragedies occur, many people have an overwhelming desire to "be part of the story." Some step forward, claiming they were planning to travel on the doomed ship, but had a bad feeling or better still, a dream of the ship sinking. Now they are part of the story - in fact, they've improved on it by introducing an element of the mystical. Others produced artefacts they'd found from the ship, such as a life-vest. Or they found on the beach a message in a bottle - the sender was someone on the doomed ship. Most artefacts and messages in a bottle proved, of course, to be fakes.

What does this have to do with flying saucers? The wonderful thing about UFOs is how easy it is to be part of the story. You or I just have to see one. "Yessir, it was round, 200 feet wide, with flashing lights but didn't make a sound. It flew over my house, hovered for a while, then shot straight up at 5000 mph." You don't believe me? Well, you weren't there! What matters is that with my UFO report, I've become part of the story. I'm no longer a loser, a schmuck, a nobody. I'm now part of a great unsolved mystery, the UFO phenomenon.

As stories, tragedies like the Titanic generally fade with time. But the other wonderful thing about UFOs is that the story will never fade. I've seen a UFO; now you can see one next month. Folks out in Nebraska will see one next year because they too want to be part of the story. On and on it goes.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 29, 2013, 8:30:08 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Dave vicks says:

[Some UFO experts where saying that in 2012 the Aliens where going to land, and some said they where going to destroy.]

That sounds like something that dimwit Eric Von Daniken would say.

[I've seen a few Hybrids.]

What do they look like ?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 29, 2013, 2:34:06 AM PDT
"I don't know how possible this would be though. I heard another guy on TV saying the fungus could not do this in its raw form. "

remember that when you bake bread, temperatures get rather high so the fungus would be cooked, not raw... May well change its chemical composition.

Posted on Mar 28, 2013, 11:53:06 PM PDT
Dave Vicks says:
Some UFO experts where saying that in 2012 the Aliens where going to land, and some said they where going to destroy

Earth in 2012AD;) I think Whitley Streiber was one of them.I've seen a few Hybrids.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2013, 1:21:57 PM PDT
JM: There have been times in history where accusing someone of practicing the black arts could get them burned at the stake. They didn't call those the dark ages for nothing.

BPL: They didn't call them that at all. The dark ages refers to the time after the fall of the Roman Empire in the west, from 476 to about 1200 AD. The heyday of the witch trials was about 1450-1650, during the Renaissance.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2013, 7:26:30 AM PDT
Ronald Craig says:
"I found that theory interesting though because the ergot is a symbiotic organism. This type of organism replaces the cells of a host with its own cells."

Um, Jeff? That's not what symbiosis means.

"I guess that's what LSD does to people. It replaces them."

Huh? I'll grant you that "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was political allegory, but this is just silly.

"Spiderman's evil alter ego Venom is a symbiotic organism."

Earth to Jeff! Spiderman and Venom are fictional characters. Yes? Hello?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2013, 6:48:26 AM PDT
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Dave vicks,

There was a book some decades ago named something like "St. Elmo's Fire" (St. something; I'm sure it wasn't Elmo... maybe St. Ignacius...) that related the story of an entire town in France affected with ergot poisoning. While ergot is, indeed, a grain mold that can produce LSD-like symptoms, its being a wild and natural toxin makes its effects much more varied and, often, more severe than those of a purified drug.

I've just googled it: "The Day of St. Anthony's Fire: The Suspenseful, True Account of a Medieval Plague in Modern Times, and of the Scientific Detective Work that Traced it to a Suprising Cause" Quite an interesting story; the cause of the mass madness has been attributed to other causes as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2013, 5:55:48 AM PDT
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Jeff Marzano says:
Dave vicks says:

[I heard that a mold on Rye bread can cause hallucinations ?]

That theory was put forth to explain the reasoning behind the Salem witch trials. This lady thought people were eating bread contaminated with the ergot fungus which I guess is like a raw form of LSD.

I don't know how possible this would be though. I heard another guy on TV saying the fungus could not do this in its raw form.

I found that theory interesting though because the ergot is a symbiotic organism. This type of organism replaces the cells of a host with its own cells. I guess that's what LSD does to people. It replaces them.

Spiderman's evil alter ego Venom is a symbiotic organism.

A more recent theory about the Salem witch hunt is a minister was falling out of favor with his congregation and they wanted to take away his free property and kick him out of town. He needed something sensation to justify his existence so he may have concocted the demonic possessions which started in his house with his own kids. He blamed his slave girl / housekeeper.

There have been times in history where accusing someone of practicing the black arts could get them burned at the stake. They didn't call those the dark ages for nothing.

Spider-Man & The Secret Wars (Spider-Man (Marvel))

Pleasures of the Torture Chamber

Posted on Mar 27, 2013, 1:25:30 AM PDT
Dave Vicks says:
I heard that a mold on Rye bread can cause hallucinations?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2013, 1:14:07 AM PDT
"The have been reported since biblical days. "

The bible was written before the invention of LSD...

Posted on Mar 26, 2013, 12:58:44 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 5, 2013, 5:20:47 AM PST
jpl,

Sorry to quibble, but the Bible (capital B) is only a small number of authorized texts including a varying number of different books. Notably, the RCC authorizes a different Bible from Protestants; both use a different Bible from the Jewish version. I don't know about Eastern Orthodox sects.

You seem to imply that all of the ancient texts studied by biblical scholars are "bible" texts. Sorry if I over-interpret your comment.

Posted on Mar 5, 2013, 5:08:50 AM PST
Ronald Craig says:
Spi't, Ante P., and CaliCoup all participating in a thread in the Science forum?!

All you need now is for Marilyn Martin to show up and you'll have the full set of the Four Hoarsies of the Alien [Forum] Apocalypse! :D

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013, 7:21:19 PM PST
jpl says:
Jonathan D. Kober says:
So who are the Nephilim? google that

jpl: Read the books left out of the "Bible", and you may find out who the nephilim are. What?! You didn't know the "Bible" consists of many other books than are found in Protestant and Catholic versions? . . . more malarkey to believe in . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013, 4:37:16 PM PST
Spiritual Architect,

So, were the objects "fiery orange" or "white"?

Did the respective towers communicate to their pilots what they should look for? People are very suggestible and will usually see what you say they should see. The same thing goes for "prominent physicists" who are also "ufologists," but with the twist that they'll be eager to see UFOs whether or not you tell them to. Even very experienced observers can be fooled by, or into, the "autokinetic effect," the illusion that an object seen against a featureless background will be perceived as being in motion.

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JagdTiger says:
Excellent post...:-) ...do you know of a 1972? sighting of a ufo landing on the Italian alps with a gray type creature getting out?...looked on youtube for it but did not show up...just wondering if it was a fake.

I believe it was a non-color version.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013, 3:41:31 PM PST
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Spinoza says:
Spiritual Architect says:

Too bad JagdTiger does not know me or they could say "Yes".

I have.

How many times do you have to be told they exist, Spinoza?

Have faith in your fellow man for once. These things are material objects that preform feats that man made objects cannot.

The slow, totally quiet saucer I saw in 1971 could not have been made by us. This means they were made by somebody else, somewhere else.

Spinoza says:

An interesting question to speculate on: if I had been with you that day in 1971, would I have seen a flying saucer, as well?

And if we disagreed on what we had seen, who would be more likely to be correct, and who in error?

I see. And did you believe extraterrestrial space craft were a genuine phenomena BEFORE 1971?

I have enormous faith in my fellow man - I think people can sincerely believe they have seen UFOs, as they can sincerely believe they have seen ghosts, elves, fairies, demons, or God.

That they actually have, I have little faith in, and for many good reasons.

Not having seen what you did, I can't comment on what it was, other than to say I truly believe it is much more likely you saw a common meteorological phenomena, or a terrestrial aircraft, and misidentified it. It is, very simply, much more likely, than to believe millions of people are seeing material craft from other worlds, or that hundreds of thousands are being abducted by them.

Guess I'll have to see it to believe it - and even then, I know how easy it is for the human brain to see things that aren't there.

Sorry, SA. I'll need more evidence than eyewitness testimony - generally not terribly accurate, in fact, one of the WORST means to determine the reality of a phenomena.

I remember, years ago, walking down the street where I lived in upstate New York around dusk. The sun was setting, and I could have sworn to you I saw a body lying in the road about an eighth of a mile up the road.

As I walked closer, I saw that it was actually a bag of garbage that had ripped open, and from where I had been standing, it had looked EXACTLY like a dead body in the road.

Walking back to the spot were I had originally seen it, I was surprised that I could no longer see it as a dead body. The illusion had disappeared once I knew what it was - just a very common and mundane object at a time and place perfect for creating an illusion, due to lack of a clear view, and preconceived notions as to what objects would be likely to be lying in the road in an upstate New York town at dusk.

I didn't see a horse or an elephant. Why is that? ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013, 3:30:57 PM PST
Dossier : ABOVE the White House Lawn

"At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air-traffic controller at Washington National Airport, spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:
"We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft" (Clark, p. 653).

Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects:
"a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it" (Clark, 653).

At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before."

As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed" and vanished in "a split second". He then observed a second, similar object, but it also disappeared before anyone else in the tower could see it (Clark, 654). At 12:30 a.m. on July 20, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude".

On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects - "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" - over a 14-minute period (Clark, 655). Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope."

At Andrews AFB, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times" (Clark, 655).

At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews AFB were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time (Ruppelt, p. 160). At 3 a.m., shortly before two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly" (Clark, 656).

The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. Around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, observed "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent."

At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952, a pilot and stewardess on a National Airlines flight into Washington observed some strange objects above their plane. Within minutes, both radar centers at National Airport, and the radar at Andrews AFB, were tracking more unknown objects. A master sergeant at Andrews visually observed the objects; he later said that "these lights did not have the characteristics of shooting stars. There was [sic] no trails . . . they traveled faster than any shooting star I have ever seen" (Clark, 658).

Meanwhile, Albert M. Chop, the press spokesman for Project Blue Book, arrived at National Airport and refused several reporters' requests to photograph the radar screens. He then joined the radar center personnel (Ruppelt, 164). By this time (9:30 p.m.) the radar center was picking up unknown objects in every sector. At times the objects traveled slowly; at other times they reversed direction and moved across the radarscope at speeds calculated at 7,000 mph.

At 11:30 p.m., two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington. Capt. John McHugo, the flight leader, was vectored towards the radar pips but saw nothing, despite repeated attempts (Peebles, 76). However, his wingman, Lt. William Patterson, did see four white "glows" and chased them. Suddenly, the "glows" turned and surrounded his fighter. Patterson asked the control tower at National Airport what he should do; according to Chop, the tower's answer was "stunned silence". The four objects then sped away from Patterson's jet and disappeared (Clark, 659).

After midnight on July 27, Major Dewey Fournet, Project Blue Book's liaison at the Pentagon, and a Lt. Holcomb, an Air Force radar specialist, arrived at the radar center at National Airport. During the night, Lt. Holcomb received a call from the Washington National Weather Station. They told him that a slight temperature inversion was present over the city, but Holcomb felt that the inversion was not "nearly strong enough to explain the 'good and solid' returns" on the radarscopes (Peebles, 76). Fournet relayed that all those present in the radar room were convinced that the targets were most likely caused by solid metallic objects. There had been weather targets on the scope too, he said, but this was a common occurrence and the controllers "were paying no attention to them." (Ruppelt, 166)

Two more jets from Newcastle AFB were scrambled during the night. One pilot saw nothing unusual; the other pilot moved towards a white light which "vanished" when he closed in. A Capital Airlines flight leaving Washington spotted "odd lights" which remained visible for about twelve minutes (Clark, 660). As on July 20, the sightings and unknown radar returns ended at sunrise.

President Harry Truman ~ who along with a small secret select group within the military government, knew all about the grays ~ and had to have an official showing to explain away what people were witnessing. Air Force Major General John Samford held a press conference at the Pentagon on July 29, 1952. The cover-up explanation used was that it was all a temperature inversion/mirage.

Almost from the moment of General Samford's press conference, eyewitnesses, UFO researchers, and Air Force personnel came forward to criticize the temperature inversion/mirage explanation. Captain Ruppelt noted that Major Fournet and Lt. Holcomb, who disagreed with the Air Force's explanation, were not in attendance at Samford's press conference. Ruppelt himself discovered that "hardly a night passed in June, July, and August in 1952 that there wasn't a [temperature] inversion in Washington, yet the slow-moving, solid radar targets appeared on only a few nights" (Ruppelt, 170).

According to a story printed by the International News Service (INS), the United States Weather Bureau also disagreed with the temperature inversion hypothesis. According to Ruppelt, when he was able to interview the radar and control tower personnel at Washington National Airport, not a single person agreed with the Air Force explanation.

Michael Wertheimer, a researcher for the government-funded Condon Report, investigated the case in 1966. He found that the radar witnesses still disputed the Air Force explanation, but that did not stop the report from agreeing with the temperature inversion/mirage explanation (Clark, 660). Ruppelt related that on July 27 the control tower at Washington National had called the control tower at Andrews AFB and notified them that their radar had an unknown object just south of the Andrews control tower, directly over the Andrews AFB radio range station.

According to Ruppelt, when the Andrews control tower personnel looked they all saw "a huge fiery-orange sphere" hovering over the range station (Ruppelt, 160). When Ruppelt interviewed the tower personnel several days later, they insisted that they had been mistaken and had merely seen a bright star. However, when Ruppelt checked an astronomical chart he found that there were no bright stars over the station that night, and that he had "heard from a good source that the tower men had been 'persuaded' a bit" by superior officers to state that their sighting was merely a star (Ruppelt, 169).

There were also witnesses who claimed to see structured craft and not merely "glows" or bright lights. On July 19 an Army artillery officer, Joseph Gigandet, was sitting on the front porch of his home in Alexandria, Virginia, across the Potomac River from Washington. At 9:30 p.m. he claimed to see "a red cigar-shaped object" which sailed slowly over his house. Gigandet estimated the object's size as comparable to a DC-7 airplane and at about 10,000 feet altitude; he also claimed that the object had a "series of lights very closely set together" on its sides.

The object eventually flew back over his house a second time, which led Gigandet to assume that it was circling the area (Clark, 657). When the object flew away a second time, it turned a deeper red color and moved over the city of Washington itself; this occurred less than two hours before Edward Nugent first spotted the unknown objects on his radar at Washington National. Gigandet claimed that his neighbor, an FBI agent, also saw the object (Clark, 657).

Dr. James E. McDonald, a physicist at the University of Arizona and a prominent ufologist in the 1960s, did his own analysis of the Washington sightings. After interviewing four pilot eyewitnesses and five radar personnel, McDonald argued that the Air Force explanation was "physically impossible" (Clark, 661). Harry Barnes told McDonald that the radar targets "were not shapeless blobs such as one gets from ground returns under anomalous propagation", and that he was certain the unknown radar blips were solid targets."

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2013, 3:29:12 PM PST
Too bad JagdTiger does not know me or they could say "Yes".

I have.

How many times do you have to be told they exist, Spinoza?

Have faith in your fellow man for once. These things are material objects that preform feats that man made objects cannot.

The slow, totally quiet saucer I saw in 1971 could not have been made by us. This means they were made by somebody else, somewhere else.
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