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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012, 7:13:20 PM PDT
Re Marzano, 6-10 4:30 PM: "This is the Hall Of Records that was hermetically sealed in 10,500 BC." Citations, please (from accredited journals). This is some thousands of years before any record of Egyptian activities of which I am aware.

Posted on Jun 10, 2012, 7:22:39 PM PDT
basharun says:
How about mystical or spiritual knowledge? How about the knowledge of love?
How about the thesis "To Know, I must first know that I don't Know."?
Even science relies on non-predictive knowledge.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012, 7:46:55 PM PDT
noman says:
RE: " basharun says:
How about mystical or spiritual knowledge? How about the knowledge of love?
How about the thesis "To Know, I must first know that I don't Know."?
Even science relies on non-predictive knowledge. "

**Demonstrate that any of that is useful to the *method* of science. Individual *Scientists* may have any number of personal beliefs. These *beliefs* may be vital to the individual but they are utterly without merit to the science.

Posted on Jun 10, 2012, 8:04:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 10, 2012, 8:05:15 PM PDT
basharun says:
Nobody's talking about it being useful to science (or the method of science). I don't live for, or worship science. Science isn't a God. Since when does all our human endeavors ONLY have to be "useful" to science in order for them to have any value?
Science is only there for OUR benefit, not the other way around. You are taking the map for the territory.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012, 8:34:51 PM PDT
noman says:
RE: " basharun says:
Nobody's talking about it being useful to science (or the method of science)."

**Science forum. Being "useful to science" is kind of the whole point.

RE: " I don't live for, or worship science."

**And....no one cares. Completely irrelevant to any discussion.

RE: "Science isn't a God."

**Granted. And also completely irrelevant.

RE: "Since when does all our human endeavors ONLY have to be "useful" to science in order for them to have any value?"

**They don't. But, once again, this is the *science* forum. If you want to discuss other "human endeavors" why not take them to another forum? Stay with the science forum by all means, but you're probably going to run into more *science*.

RE: "Science is only there for OUR benefit, not the other way around."

**Science is a tool and it is extraordinary beneficial, so yes.

RE: " You are taking the map for the territory. "

**I have no idea what you mean by this. However, to be completely frank, I find your posts so nonsensical and completely devoid of any value that I don't really care what you mean.

**Summary: pseudoscience, pseudophilosophy and plain nonsense.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2012, 10:39:33 PM PDT
basharun says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012, 8:51:07 AM PDT
Customer says:
I don't reject findings like that.

Here's what I often 'reject'. People of many different faiths learning about a scientific discovery or explanatory framework that's being built up by unbiased scientists, and then announcing to the world, "We finally know what these our favorite verses were referring to all along! Isn't this just super!".

Hopefully you're not on this path, basharun.

I find it mildly interesting, according to scholars if I'm not mistaken, that 100 years was required for the writings about Moses, Jesus and Mohammed to attain their final form, or maybe a little longer. During those centuries the people who cared about the narratives were gathering the latest info and editing the accounts, just like the attitudes of people today who find glorious parallels to science in Genesis and the Quran. But today they can't easily change anything so they substitute new explanations from science to replace the old superstitious interpretations. It's obvious and pathetic.

What good is a sacred account if it was never accurately understood when it was written to be TRUE? We know what the people could know back then, and to put it kindly, it was all irrelevant.

Posted on Jun 11, 2012, 10:41:34 AM PDT
Brian Curtis says:
Religions like to pretend with every new scientific discovery that they knew the right answer all along...

But somehow, they only make these claims AFTER science has determined what the 'right answer' really is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012, 12:18:06 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Robert A. Saunders says:

[This is some thousands of years before any record of Egyptian activities of which I am aware.]

Yes that is correct. There are questions about exactly how old the monuments at Giza really are.

Geologist Robert Schoch has caused a major controversy because he says the sphinx statue clearly shows the effects of weathering from heavy rains. It hasn't rained that much at Giza for many thousands of years.

Schoch concurs with Edgar Cayce that there is an artificial complex of chambers and passageways underneath the Giza site and these chambers appear to contain objects.

The entrance into the Hall is according to Cayce located underneath one of the paws of the sphinx statue. But the sphinx was set as the sentinel to guard the entrance to the Hall Of Records. Nobody can enter until the proper time.

That term 'hermetically sealed' is I presume named after the Egyptian god Thoth Hermes, the architect of the Great Pyramid. Thoth is associated with giving the world mathematics and other more arcane knowledge about nature and the universe.

The phrase "As above so below' is attributed to Hermes Trismegistus who is associated with Thoth somehow or may have been the reincarnation of Thoth.

Author and researcher Robert Bauval created the Orion Correlation Theory which states that the three main pyramids at Giza correspond in relative size and position to the three belt stars in the constellation of Orion as those stars appeared over Egypt in 10,500 BC, not now. He feels this indicates the date of construction of those monuments.

That date is associated with the final destruction of Atlantis. Giza is a place where records are kept. Records about the doomed Atlantis.

Jeff Marzano

Fingerprints of the Gods

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012, 5:47:44 PM PDT
Doctor says:
Nat designed the following reply:

There is no reason to consider an intelligent designer because the design is not intelligent. Perhaps, one could consider a designer but certainly not an intelligent one.

Was the reply inteligently designed?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012, 6:23:36 PM PDT
Fellas, fellas, FELLAS!

No need to lob flaming turds into each others straw huts to stamp out (although visualising it is amusing).

071V8

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012, 10:30:36 PM PDT
Re Marzano, 6-11 12:18 PM: "Nobody can enter until the proper time." That is drivel: If those chambers exist, anyone can enter them at any time by either finding an entrance or making one.

'hermetically sealed' ... I presume named after the Egyptian god Thoth Hermes, ..." Not according to Wikipedia, which indicates that the origin is Greek ("Hermes Trismegistus").

"Records about the doomed Atlantis." So far, unsupported by evidence.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012, 4:42:16 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Robert A. Saunders says:

["Records about the doomed Atlantis." So far, unsupported by evidence.]

Well as I said it appears that ground penetrating radar is showing that the Hall Of Records is there about 75 meters down underneath the Giza site.

Even if it is there I'm not sure what effect this might have on changing what people already believe about the ancient past. What's already visible in plain site at Giza defies any sort of conventional explanation anyway.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012, 5:25:22 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 13, 2012, 5:32:22 PM PDT
roundaboutte says:
The sphinx and enclosure are water worn not from rainwater but from being filled with water and then drained repeatedly over and over they look like what a river bank looks like from years of water flow cutting the sides.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012, 6:00:40 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Not according to geologist Robert Schoch. He says the sphinx statue is many thousands of years older than the hypocrite Egyptologists say.

There are also disagreements about the carbon dating results done on the Great Pyramid. However I believe this pyramid gave of radiation which goofs up the carbon dating process.

The association between the three main pyramids at Giza and certain pharaohs is pure crap based on the flimsiest of assumptions and heresay.

The following book was a little too technical for me but engineers may like it:

Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt: Advanced Engineering in the Temples of the Pharaohs

Christopher Dunn looks at relatively simple Egyptian artifacts like boxes made out of granite, statues of the pharaohs, etc.. Even these objects defy explanation and could not have been created using primitive copper chisels and other simple tools.

For example it's not that easy to create a granite box where the four internal corners are perfectly aligned to within fractions of an inch.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg about what Dunn has discovered:

The Giza Power Plant : Technologies of Ancient Egypt

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012, 6:02:46 PM PDT
Nat says:
I wouldn't be surprised when they finally say it's like 13,000 years old

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012, 10:03:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012, 10:06:21 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Nat says:

[I wouldn't be surprised when they finally say it's like 13,000 years old.]

That time period of 10,500 BC is key. That's 12,500 years ago which is close to what you said.

Besides the correlation between the stars in Orion and the three main pyramids at Giza in 10,500 BC, there's also a connection with the sphinx.

The astrological age of Leo The Lion began in 10,500 BC. At that time the constellation of Leo would have been rising directly in front of the sphinx statue as if the sphinx was looking directly at this constellation.

There are other mysterious monuments and structures in other places around the world that appear to mirror the three belt stars in Orion. These stars have a distinct appearance where the third star is smaller and aligned off center from the other two stars.

The Nile River lines up with the three main pyramids at Giza in the same way the great band of the Milky Way lines up with the three Orion stars. What this is implying I don't know. Perhaps the Egyptians saw some great plan about the saying 'as above so below'.

All of this gets into theories about how ancient monuments match up with the movements of the stars and constellations over long time frames.

In 2004 the North Star, Polaris, became aligned with the entrance to the Great Pyramid. This was significant because the pyramid represents the experiences that souls have in our solar system. When a soul has completed it experiences in our solar system the next place they go is that system where Polaris resides.

It was also significant in relation to the idea of the different ages or root races of mankind like we are entering a new root race at this time.

Jeff Marzano

Edgar Cayce's Atlantis

Secrets of the Ancient World: Exploring the Insights of America's Most Well-Documented Psychic, Edgar Cayce

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012, 10:12:02 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 16, 2012, 11:02:19 AM PDT
tom kriske says:
a sad day in mudville - an interesting 'scientific' topic like the big bang gets relegated to the floor of an adult movie theater while astrology, rosicrucians and numb-nutz edgar cayce receive topical anointment. you f*&^ers kill me.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012, 11:30:21 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012, 10:36:06 AM PDT
Re Marzano, 6-13 6:00 pm: "There are also disagreements about the carbon dating results done on the Great Pyramid." Carbon or other radioactive dating isn't applicable to these -- they are made out of sedimentary rock, and any carbon-containing datable things are internal to the pyramids, not part of the structure.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012, 11:30:10 AM PDT
noman says:
RE: " Jeff Marzano says:
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**Rubbish. Pseudo science of the worst kind. For everyone else:
Overview of Pyramid Construction
http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

The Ancient Engineers

Building the Great Pyramid
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/german/egypt/egypt_files/Building%20the%20Great%20Pyramid%20by%20Ian%20Shaw.pdf

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012, 5:35:13 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012, 6:06:23 PM PDT
tom kriske says:
jeff, are you sure, that when you cross a street at the traffic signal, the silvery silhouette of a hand isn't secretly reading and transmitting info bursts via the mosfet bar code that's embedded in your left parietal lobe?

Posted on Jun 18, 2012, 8:00:15 PM PDT
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