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was the moon landing real or fake, and why?


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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 12:33:10 PM PST
Iruri -

You wrote, "In July of 2009 nasa sent us pictures of the LEM Remnants? Nasa also promised 2-3x's
better resolution of the july 2009 pictures within a few weeks. We are still waiting for the new resolution pictures"

Who is "we"?

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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 1:06:03 PM PST
j.b.

Unfortunately, the existence of reflectors on the moon is not really strong evidence for manned landings, at least within iruri's context. They _could_ have been delivered by unmanned probes.

And the unmanned probes _could_ have delivered unmanned rovers modified to leave footprints in the dust. And erect a flag. And drive a golf ball. And, well.....

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2010, 1:38:46 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2010, 2:00:37 PM PST
Judging from your last 3 posts, I too am wondering if you're a Robert B. Winn sock puppet.

Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 2:43:56 PM PST
Iruri -

"rough beast, We, meaning people that want proof of a moon landing."

Well, that's all very vague. So, when "nasa sent us pictures ", they were addressed to "people that want proof of a moon landing"?

Really?

How about being a little more specific?

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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 3:01:46 PM PST
Iruri -

"ruff beast, You seem to have opened your mind, great.
I kind of figured you would come around to the truth. "

Truth is important to me. So, since you seem to be kindly disposed to me, could you answer a few questions?

Your original post stated, "I think the moon landing was false because there was no Blast Crater under the LEM.
Some of the Transmissions between Armstrong and Houston were less than the 1.3 seconds it should have taken. "

1) When Truthseeker pointed out that "Claims that the delays were only on the order of half a second are unsubstantiated by an examination of the actual recordings. It should also be borne in mind that there should not be a straightforward, consistent time delay between every response, as the conversation is being recorded at one end - Mission Control. Responses from Mission Control could be heard without any delay, as the recording is being made at the same time that Houston receives the transmission from the Moon."

this apparently didn't register, right?

Could you please indicate when the astronauts respond too quickly to ground transmissions?

2) When Truthseeker pointed out that

"In fact, a blast crater was measured under the Apollo 11 Lunar Module using shadow lengths of the descent engine bell and estimates of the amount that the landing gear had compressed and how deep the lander footpads had pressed into the lunar surface and it was found that the engine had eroded between 4 and 6 inches of regolith out from underneath the engine bell during the final descent and landing."

this apparently didn't register, right?

Please discuss this.

Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2010, 3:11:46 PM PST
Explain please how I called you "names." Are you worried about being thought a crackpot? Well, guess what. That's because you are a crackpot.
To answer you would lend credence to your incredibly silly premise.
Also, you wouldn't know libertarianism if it slapped you on the arse. FYI, libertarians are not conspiracy nuts.

Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 3:27:33 PM PST
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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 4:04:08 PM PST
I did not call you a "rat"! I realize you are probably completely humorless, but my post was written in hillbilly dialect. Did you even try to read it beyond the first line? Let me help you by translating:
"Yes, yew are rat."
"Yes, you are right."
I figured (wrongly it seems), that since you are a moonshot conspiracy theorist, that you'd be familiar with hilbilly dialect.
God, you crackpots are sooooo serious!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2010, 4:15:10 PM PST
Iruri -

No link.

You've missed the point. There _was_ no "LEM Landing audio visual from youtube". The youtube clip shows LEM video (made from an on-board film camera), with a Houston recording for sound track. For what it's worth, I made the same mistaken assumption the first time I saw the video, and I'm embarrassed at how long it took me to figure out the truth.

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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 5:03:33 PM PST
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Iruri -

"Are you saying the sound track was made separate from the LEM Landing?"

At last I'm getting through.

Yes. The sound track was made from a recording made at Houston during the landing. It was not recorded on the LEM.

And to some degree we can't put the LEM Landing aside. The video shows dust being kicked up by the exhaust, and one of the astronauts comments on it. "Kicking up some dust." at 14:40.

Still no link to the picture you're talking about.

And, just for the record, "crater" is spelled with an "e", not an "o".

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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 5:35:19 PM PST
A. Caplan says:
Obviously that the faking of the moon landings was the most successful conspiracy ever concocted. It involved thousands of people from the US, the USSR, the PRC, Spain, Australia, and many other countries, none of whom have come forward in all this time. Let's forget that there is no evidence that the landings were faked and that all of what was videoed are exactly what was expected to be seen and matches the laws of physics.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2010, 5:36:08 PM PST
Iruri -

No link. What are you doing wrong? You were able to include the link to the youtube landing clip on the other thread.

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Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 6:07:18 PM PST
Iruri -

Assuming you mean the image at

http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/space_level2/apollo11_lem.html

then the answer is that I can't tell. There appears to be a slight rise just behind the figure in the foreground. This hides any possible crater behind it. My reading of the picture is that the rise is not directly under the LEM engines, but is rather in front of them.

And I have a question for you. Why do you think there must be a crater? If the ground is a few inches of dust over a solid substrate, the exhaust would blow the dust away, and that's it.

So where'e the beef?

And let's keep the audio track question active. You wrote, "Did you see where I said, Let's put the LEM Landing aside for a minute?".

Yes, I saw it. Knowing you, that means we never talk about it again. So let's keep it alive. You have the very bad (read, dishonest) habit of ignoring inconvenient information.

Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 6:31:16 PM PST
Iruri -

If the picture you're talking about is the one at

http://news.webshots.com/photo/1102089179051203372LsTVwc

then there is a smoothed area under the engines. There is also ( I think) a path leading left and away which is the mark of the exhaust during the last seconds of flight.

You do understand, I hope, that the LEM never hovered over the touchdown point? Go back to the youtube clip and watch. It was moving along the ground right up to touchdown.

Posted on Nov 26, 2010, 6:39:43 PM PST
Gary S. Hurd says:
OK, this is just boring.

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