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I'm a lesbian but I beleive in God what should I do?

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Initial post: Aug 6, 2007 12:24:52 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 17, 2007 7:03:57 PM PDT
V in SC says:
In order to go to Heaven, there is only one book to go by and that is the Bible. The Bible clearly states it is wrong to engage in homosexual "acts". You may be who you are from prior/past trauma; however, you still have to do what is right. It may not be easy, but it's not worth taking a chance. Life on earth is short compared to eternity. Refrain from temptations, remember you are who you hang around. Pray, ask God for help, guidance, let Him know you only want what He wants for you. Best wishes...

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 17, 2007 8:08:35 PM PDT
A. Gilbert says:
Do you really believe you'd go to hell for loving? Even if it was another woman? No. If there truly is a just and loving God he would not punish you for living and loving the way he created you to. You only get one life, live it to the fullest

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 17, 2007 8:19:24 PM PDT
Stevie Rae says:
I believe that God is love. There is no direct wording in the Bible that says "homosexuality will send you straight to Hell." Instead, what the Bible does say is that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus' love and acceptance of Him. The Bible says that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This states that it doesn't matter what sin you have committed, without Christ, you go to Hell. With Christ, you go to Heaven. Your sexuality may not make Christians happy, but they are NOT who lets you into Heaven. God bless you!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 1:06:55 AM PDT
N. Murphy says:
Unfortunately, the Bible was written by men living in a certain cultural context a very long time ago, and what they wrote was influenced by their society, their personal points of view, and the prevailing beliefs of the time.

Then, on top of that, of the 200+ books in existence, one of the popes personally decided which to keep and which to destroy forever. So the Bible has been heavily censored hundreds of years ago by men with political agendas, to say the least. Before that, much of it was passed down orally like a game of telephone for many years.

In summary, anyone who takes the Bible literally has no knowledge of it's history and how it came to be, or they wouldn't be so gullible.

That being said, if you're gay but still hypnotized by the threat of eternal punishment, which you believe because your parents and priests scared you when you were young and trusting... you need to have the courage to consider the fact that the beliefs you never really chose for yourself are wrong, or have the desire to live the rest of your life with a false identity and suffer the mental anguish.


I made it out, so can you.

-Ex-member of the largest cult, Christianity (which, BTW, is the single most destructive force on the planet)
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 2:03:01 AM PDT
Jean Erasmus says:
'God' is a very generally used term for something we hardly begin to understand. If you refer to the 'god' of the Bible, thus the God of Abraham (known to Christians, the Jewish faith and Islam - which all share the same 'old testament' scriptures of the Torah and Sefer Yetzira), then you probably ask this question because of fear of God, and want someone to give you hope and assurance.

Well - there is definitaly hope and assurance. Most of us are so ill educated to the true nature and history of religions, and blindly follow the dogma that has been fearfully forced down our throats by the scary church folk 'in the name of love', that we always follow the sheep in front of us. Do a bit of in depth research, and soon will you find the skillfully manipulations in all religions and scriptures. A good example is the meeting at Nicea circa 325 CE (AD), where mainly two groups of early Christians argued about the nature of Christ. The one group believed him to be God, the other believed him to be a man (as a God cannot be born from a human). They couldn't come to an agreement, and the groups split into the Catholics who believed Christ to be God, and wrote it so in the canon, and the Orthodox Christians who did not add this to their canon.

Now, if these men - more than a thousand years ago - couldn't agree on a topic, and changed their scriptures according to their own beliefs, and not the 'truth', how can the bible 'tell' you, you will go to hell? Our current version of the bible is like a VHS tape that has been pirate copied so many times, you can't make out anything sensible. Our current bible was translated from the Vulgata (the latin first translation), in turn translated from only a select few gnostic, kabbalist (the Torah or book of Moses) and other scriptures, interpreted by a few men in purple clothing and then condensed into a little black book called 'The Word'.

The 'Word' of God lies within all of us - it is that sweet and faint voice inside we never listen to - the Voice of love, respect and forgiveness.

It does not matter if you're a man or a woman - these are only temporarily forms in this brief eternal second of a life. Love is important, and don't let any dogmatic fundamentalist doubt in your own love...

Dr. Jean Erasmus

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 4:04:54 AM PDT
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V in SC says:
The Bible DOES state in several places that Homosexuality is wrong. Saying that loving someone is okay, is an opinion. The Bible is all we have to go by and states FACTS. Why take the chance and not get to Heaven if one has doubts. Here are two verses:

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

There is a difference between some things the Bible state are wrong (as in the old Testament...eating certain fish...however, that verse does not state one will not inherit the kingdom of God.)

The verses on Homosexuality are very clear that with this sin, one will not get to Heaven.

Look, I am 43 and have always been gay. I am also a Christian. I don't want to be with a man, but I also want to get to Heaven. The Bible states FACTS and I'm not going to take a chance on this. Life on Earth is short compared to Eternity. Hell is not a nice place. I may be gay; however, I will not engage in the Homosexual acts any longer. To me, it's not worth the risk.

Also, the Bible was written by men who walked w/Jesus.

Loving another woman is not's the sexual acts that are wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 4:22:58 AM PDT
Luvbooks says:
Lesbians and gays will be welcomed and comforted in the Unitarian Universalist denomination.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 5:07:28 AM PDT
First of all, get free of the patriarchs. Read the history of christianity and educate yourself so you don't have to ask a bunch of bible thumping hillbillies for moral advise. Remember that the bible is a political effort, and also that ANYONE that tries to tell you that s/he knows what the diety thinks/wants/plans is on a big ego trip--and they want to be leading the parade. Finally, be happy. You were made in infinite love, and have the right to the path of your choosing. Courage is the health of the soul, and love really is everything.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 5:31:21 AM PDT
Actually, there is nothing specifically stated in the bible about homosexuality, that is all judgment and dogma the church has forced down the throats of people to divide and separate and is judgment passed down from church leaders, not Jesus and definitely not God. Judgment of your neighbor however, is a "sin" which is translated from the Greek archery term "hamartia" which means "To miss the mark." When you judge anyone else, you are judging yourself and your thoughts are impure and littered with thoughts handed to you from other pepole who have no idea what they are or what you are or what even God is.

If you are looking for a church, you can try the UU church as mentioned earlier, but to me the Unitarian Universalists are held together by political beliefs not spiritual ones (but I went to one near Washington DC so it may be different all over) or you can try Unity which openly embraces all people and the teachings ar of embracing yourself rather than deferring to a book for your source. Self-Realization can not come from a book, it can only come from recognizing your own magnificence and Divinity which is fully alive in you (in the same way it was with Jesus, only he knew what he was, most of us here are still trying to figure that out)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 8:27:58 AM PDT
alaena39 says:
I absolutely agree with every single person on here who has said that God is love and that you should choose your own path. My advice to you is a simple one- stop looking onto Christianity and others for approval and start approving and loving yourself. That's the first and most important step. I also believe in God myself, and I am one of those to believe that people were made different in order for others to learn acceptance. So in my opinion, it is not you who needs to be afraid or lowering your head in shame, it is all those who attack you for being who you are. If you truly do believe in God, trust your instincts and inner guidance. If you are comfortable not having a religion and want a relationship with God one on one, that's fine. Many people do that and are completely happy. If you feel like you would like a more traditional role and try religion, then I suggest you find one that fits your needs and doesn't put you down. You can be here for all eternity getting tips from people about who you can or should be and what you should do. The question is, what do YOU want? I truly do wish you the best of luck in your journey and I hope you find what you are looking for.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 9:00:19 AM PDT
I believe what is most essential is to reclaim the Christian faith for what its nomenclature actually stands for and represents: Christ. What is more important than asking about the specifics of decisions is asking the largest, all-encompassing question, "What does it mean to love my neighbor as myself?" and "What does it mean to love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind?" We've got a lot of work to do in this area--and condemnation is NOT a part of this work. Jesus used some of the most derogatory language towards the patriachal religious leaders of his day: the teachers and pharisees. Now, it seems many of us have become those very teachers and pahrisees, ready to condemn others at an instant and yet not explore the inner terrain of our own lives. If we are to be Christians, we need to follow the example of CHRIST. Not condemnation, but looking at who WE are, rather than escaping ourselves by condemning others.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 9:17:24 AM PDT
alaena39 says:
Luke R:

I applaud you on your post. I could not have said it better myself. I grew up Christian as well and I am disconcerted by all the Christians who have become, as you said, like those teachers and pharisees that condemn others. It is the reason why I did not mention that I was raised Christian, because most people put me into that category. I think it is both inherently wrong to point fingers at others who are different as well as stereotyping people who are part of a particular religion. Love is something that any human being can understand, and yet, sadly, is often the thing that is often overlooked.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 12:35:47 PM PDT
Tom Andries says:
"To refrain from tempations" is not related to sexual preferences. Temptation visits both homosexuals and heterosexuals. So why should only the first refrain?

God created us with sexual desire, who are we to minimize this gift?

As for the Bible, that book - as any religiuous work - bears the marks of the time in which it was written. Look beyond it to principles, because these are what remains over time.

As long as you don't do to others what you wouldn't wan't them to do to you, or in other words: assuring mutual consent, nothing wrong can come from that.

Can't see what God could possibly have against love. If he's that particular, he would never have created man with free will. Which leads to another stupidity: that one "chooses" to be homosexual. If hetero's don't have to choose there preference, why would homos? Both are human, not?
So if God has given us free will and loves us regardless, he sure ain't gone change his love because something that is not will-driven.

Without our body, we wouldn't be human. So why would some be more human then others? Sounds like "Animal Farm" to me.

Love and express your love cautiously, God won't think less of you because you do.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 12:44:32 PM PDT
Tom Andries says:
I'm happy for you that you've found a way to live with. It is you choice and thus disserves greta respect, especially if you do not harm abn one else with it, yourself included.

However, "they must be put to death .." and so on is in contradiction with the spirit of love, forgiveness and mercy Christianity advocates. Howz that?

Any religion that recommends manslaughter as a punishment for two people that expressed love in mutual consent is (a) interfering where it shouldn't (b) dangerous stuff to live by!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 12:51:19 PM PDT
Sorry, I disagree with you...God is a loving do not find hardly any "homosexual acts" in the NEW TESTAMENT...Jesus never don't judge.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 1:31:31 PM PDT
V in SC says:
Hardly the new testament? If there is only one statement, that is all it should take.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 1:33:43 PM PDT
V in SC says:
I'm not judging! I'm simply giving my opinion, just as you all have. To me, if you are unsure about something, which obviously the person who questioned this, is, one should not do it. I feel that if unsure about something, why do it...why chance it...especially the consequence of doing this! My opinion!!! Just like yours!!!

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 2:17:55 PM PDT
V in SC says:
Who would have thought that eating an apple in the Garden of Eden was wrong? God did and we have all sinned since. God forgives, but we can't keep doing wrong. He loves us, but gives us a choice.

God did not make us that way. He made us like Adam and Eve to be heterosexuals and anything other is immoral, unnatural, etc..

We chose to live a gay lifestyle because of something bad that happened to us as children (being afraid of the opposite sex for various reasons...not feeling comfortable with the opposite sex for some reasons). That doesn't make it okay to go against God. Having sex with the same sex is immoral.

That's like saying, that some guy in prison killed someone because he had a hard childhood and it's not his fault. It may not be his fault; however, if he chose to kill someone, he will be punished and locked up because the Bible states it is wrong to kill as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 3:01:22 PM PDT
E. Miller says:
and everyone else from what I know about the Unitarian position. When you allow anything, you stand for nothing. Too bad

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 4:53:00 PM PDT
Anyone with a deeper knowledge about the history and scripts in ANY religion KNOWS that "God/Allah/Tao/The Universal Power of Love/Higher Self - you name it..." - ALL comes down to ONE thing ONLY = LOVE!!!

TRUE "Universal Love" is never condemning but only Loving..!

The only ones that condemnes and judge other peoples sexual preferences are us "unlightened" humans!

So, as long as you have True Love in your heart and do not hurt your fellow man - You are living a life according to the intentions of God and his Universal laws!!!

Follow the Love in your heart and be happy - since you have found LOVE in your life!

May all the Love & Light from God follow you and your partner in life!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 5:16:19 PM PDT
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V in SC says:
So, in other words, if one loves, it's okay to do whatever???

A man is in love w/another woman and since it's love, it's okay to have an affair with???

A man loves his daughter and sexually molests her, that's okay?

Having sex w/the same sex, although wrong according to God, is okay as long as there is love?

We all have to answer for our choices and there are consequences for each choice we make. Obviously the girl who inquired about this has a concious and is worried about getting into Heaven. God has already spoke to her thru her concious. Dig deeper into the Word, pray and make your own decision. All we can do is give our opinions.

We can't pick/chose what is right out of the Bible according to how we want to live. If it's wrong, it's wrong!

Do you have a degree in Theology??

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 6:49:55 PM PDT
J. Albright says:
There is a difference in molesting and two consenting adults having sex, and if someone is already married. I'm sorry, but just because you have a book by a GOD that you believe is true, doesn't mean that your book is correct. You can't prove that it is correct, all you have is your silly thing called faith. In which other people have in other beliefs, and are no less then your belief system.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2007 7:01:03 PM PDT
V in SC says:
The point I'm trying to make is someone above stated that as long as you love someone, it's okay to have sex with that person. Not true! Just like it's NOT okay to have sex outside one's marriage, it's NOT okay to have sex with someone of the same sex. There is only ONE God, ONE Bible! Why is my faith silly and yours isn't?? Please!!
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