The shoes arrived in a beat up box, WAY too big the first order. Returned and reordered. The second order came in an equally beat up box and were still too big. I wear 8.5, they felt like a 10. ALSO...they appear to be different shoes. One is smooth and shiny, the other is matted and wrinkled in the toe and looked worn. They are embarassingly different looking and ridiculous. I refuse to try a third time!