You are either a Wrangler fan or you wear that over brand. If I had always been the skinny-reared guy who could fit into a pair of Levis, well, maybe I would appreciate them more. I love these Wrangler jeans. There is nothing about them that does not work for me. Having lost some weight and planning to lose more, maybe they could be a tad slimmer in design, but then they would be same as that other brand. I ALWAYS appreciated the extra belt loop because I have always worn a belt. These black ones are the best looking jeans I have ever owned. I even wear them to work sometimes with a half boot (gasp) and a shirt with buttons (I know, right?).