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The Collapse of Complex Societies (New Studies in Archaeology) Reprint Edition
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- ISBN-10052138673X
- ISBN-13978-0521386739
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- PublisherCambridge University Press
- Publication dateMarch 30, 1990
- LanguageEnglish
- Dimensions6.69 x 0.6 x 9.61 inches
- Print length264 pages
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Customers find the book provides good information and a detailed treatment of the subject. They find it engaging and challenging, with an attention-grabbing narrative. However, some readers feel the book lacks depth in its discussion of complex societies.
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Customers find the book provides good information on the subject. They say it's well-researched, detailed, and a seminal work on the subject. Readers appreciate the logical analysis of why and how complex societies collapse. The theory is believable and is an absolute must-read for social science and economics students. The ideas are important to those outside the profession, and their significance is only increasing as we reflect more on the topic.
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"...Economics helps explain complexity. Screw drivers exist because hammers weren't enough. Power drills were eventually developed and so on...." Read more
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- Reviewed in the United States on January 16, 2014This is an interesting book. First published in the late 80's, it warrants renewed attention nowadays in light of all the end-of-the world hysterias currently emanating from concerns over economic turmoil, religious strife, nuclear terrorism, viral epidemics, and climate change. Even if most of us don't believe the worst is yet upon us, it's hard not to worry with so many books and movies out there depicting post-industrial societies where humans are left with their animal needs and violent proclivities, but none of the protections afforded by modern civilization.
Joseph Tainter, though, is no hysteric. He's a buttoned-down scholar without any apparent pre-conceived agenda and certainly no intent to sensationalize. He's actually a little boring, and casual readers expecting lurid thrills from this book are likely to put it down after the first few pages. Like other students of history over the years, he seems haunted by the fact that so many of the world's once-vibrant civilizations have vanished for no obvious reason. The tasks he's taken on to himself here are to (a) catalogue the major lost civilizations (b)summarize known facts surrounding their rise and fall (c) distill the academic literature regarding the causes of societal collapse down to a handful common theories, and (d) establish the framework for his own general theory. Since it's obvious from the start of the book that he's ultimately looking forward into dynamics that might one day lead to the demise of our own world, this book really grabs your attention once you begin to suspect he may know what he's talking about.
Tainter starts with a brief survey of eighteen vanished civilizations around the world which provide the substance for his study. His professional discipline is archeology, and several of his societies are ones, like the Minoans and the Chacoans, about which archeology tells us everything we know, since they left no written records. For others, like the ancient Romans and China's Western Chou Empire, he intrudes onto historians' turf because the written record provides a key part of the story. In fact, his most comprehensive and interesting discussion is of the Romans. I got the impression that he may have developed his animating insights for this book through his study of Rome, since he manner in which he imposes them on the sketchier cases sounds a bit vague to me in places.
Tainter is obviously not the first researcher to become fascinated by societal collapse. The phenomenon has spawned a whole genre of literature and a host of causal theories. He summarizes them all for us and groups them into eleven broad categories, including resource depletion, natural catastrophe, invasion, social dysfunction, random concatenation of events, and so forth. He points out that none of these are mutually exclusive and that all have something to offer. In the end, however, he pronounces the existing literature inadequate to the task of explaining how and why thriving civilizations eventually disappear. Hence the motivation for his study.
He does point to economic theories, one of the eleven groups, as the one probably richest in explanatory possibilities. And with that observation he lays the groundwork for his own theory, which is based in economics but is capable of subsuming elements associated with the other frameworks. In getting to his subject, Tainter generally avoids the term 'civilization'. He prefers instead the more precise phrase 'complex society', by which he means a social system entailing elaborate division of labor and supporting management hierarchies, government and a robust military. He refers to resources devoted to these functions as the society's "investment in complexity". He then explains the "rise" of a society as the period during which investment in complexity is growing and people are enjoying returns on it in the form of growing wealth, culture and security. Or at least enough people are enjoying these things that social and political stability prevail. Golden ages then can be seen as sweet spots in history during which the benefits from complexity are growing and incentivising more investment in it, triggering virtuous circles. However, such a dynamic is inherently self-limiting and eventually self-destructive.
Two phrases which Tainter borrows from economics are "marginal cost" and "marginal return". Eventually, the marginal returns from investment in complexity - meaning the returns currently available - inevitably level off and then decline, while the marginal costs stay the same or even increase. The only way central authorities can so on supporting such costs is through taxation or currency debasement, unsustainable measures in a system where benefits are perceived as declining. A system so weakened becomes vulnerable to popular revolt or invasion, or lacks the will and resources to overcome other disasters. Tainter describes, for example, how the "barbarians" who eventually overran the Roman Empire were in many cases welcomed and even assisted by the Empire's population, who increasingly saw themselves as benefitting little from Rome's "complexity", even as Rome's tax collectors became more predatory than ever.
Like the good scholar he is, Tainter is cautious in his approach to his subject and modest in the claims he makes for his conclusions. His theory is rather fatalistic and seems to regard a society's collapse as pre-determined by its rise. He is an unusually good writer and casts his points generally in short, declarative sentences that are easy to follow. His ideas, however, are not so simple, and require careful study to absorb fully. The book is short - only 216 pages - but it took me a long time to finish. I found it well worth the effort, and recommend it to others interested in this subject matter.
- Reviewed in the United States on July 15, 2024This is not for the casual reader. There are numerous references throughout the book. It's important for us to understand that complex civilizations such as our own has a "use by" date, currently unknown, but definitely there in the future.
- Reviewed in the United States on July 19, 2008What I found interesting about Joseph Tainter's treatise on civilizations is his application of economic theory to explain how they collapse. After a methodical review the two basic theories of why civilizations develop in the first place, the integration theory and the conflict theory, he launches into why he thinks economics is useful: it explains marginal returns.
In simple terms, societies are machines for solving social problems. As problems become more difficult, solutions become more complicated, eating into resources. Eventually, all societies are faced with marginal returns on their investment. Economics is a study of how supply meets demand and management of scarce resources.
Tainter begins by exploring the two concepts of civilization. Actually, it really does not matter whether you subscribe to the integration theory or the conflict theory. Economics helps explain complexity. Screw drivers exist because hammers weren't enough. Power drills were eventually developed and so on. Societies created such things as cash because lugging things around to exchange slowed commerce. Eventually, monetary policies developed to both explain transactions and allow regulation and taxation. Taxation pays for society.
Here is where the two theories on civilization diverge. Integration theory proposes that societies become more complex because of a growth in people's wants and needs. Conflict theory says that societies exist because an upper class wants to control the output of society to further their own comfort and avarice. Personally, I agree with Tainter that neither theory works, although many societies I've read about, including our own can lean in one of these directions or another. Tainter agrees that economic theory cannot explain everything. After all, society and people have a rational and irrational half. For example, he explains how the taxation of citizens in the later Roman Empire became so unbearable that citizens frequently welcomed invading barbarians; miners in one central European province went over to the barbarians en-mass. Meanwhile, the rich in Rome fled to the countryside to avoid being conscripted into a failing series of governments. Peasants were encouraged to migrate to the cities, where they became a burden, because Roman governments deprived them of even subsistence --- all went to taxes.
Getting back to Tainter's approach with economic theory, he supports this theory very well. There are figures showing the declining returns on increased investments in agriculture, medicine, education, pollution control, nutrition and scientific research. Taken as a whole it is very impressive.
Unfortunately, I think the author relied too much on Rome as an example. Perhaps it was one he was extensively familiar or just a well-documented example. There are several examples of societies that have moderated their behavior and survived, at least long enough to be taken over by the current, predominant western culture: e.g., Japan. Faced with resource problems since the beginning they showed a remarkable ability to adapt without the widespread famines that seemed to plague the Chinese.
As for the current crisis that western civilization is experiencing now, Tainter provides a few clues but no concrete predictions. He believes that the civilization will adapt and survive. I believe that instead it will break down. Some countries will be abandoned to their fate while others, such as India and the European Union will strive to exist as separate entities long after the collapse of the United States and China. Tainter believes, while providing a few historical examples as proof, that societies existing together, like the European Union, cannot collapse because they are bonded together in competition. I, however, feel that as collapse becomes inevitable, worrying about what your neighbors will do becomes less important than worrying about your own survival.
Eventually, we in the US will climb out of the hole created by our demise but generations to come will wonder at our foolishness.
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Top reviews from other countries
BobachoReviewed in Germany on December 10, 20235.0 out of 5 stars Amazing book
This book is a life changer. The low of diminishing returns is explained by lot of examples. The gloomy end is striking.
Seshu kumarReviewed in India on July 30, 20204.0 out of 5 stars A decent study
I do not think it answers all questions, especially why don’t complex societies just decrease their complexities? But it does show that constantly searching for big govt programs will lead to disaster
MatthewReviewed in Australia on June 18, 20205.0 out of 5 stars Important book
I really like this book. It gives a good causal explanation of how a society could colaps. He defines his terms well
M & M GiacominiReviewed in Italy on May 31, 20145.0 out of 5 stars Essential!
According to the second principle of thermodynamics, the level of energy of a system tends to equilibrium.
Should you wish to maintain a higher level of energy (or complexity) you'd need to use more energy; the higher the complexity of the system, the more energy you'll need to use.
Now, substitute system with society, energy with resources (both human and natural) and complexity with technical progress, laws and regulation, and you'll see why our too-complex society is doomed to failure.
The author analyzes many historical examples of complex societies of the past, foremost of all the Roman Empire, and the reasons why they collapsed under the weight of their own complexity and reverted to a simpler, slenderer society.
Are we doomed for a new Middle Ages? Read on and find out.
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Pierre BECKReviewed in France on March 13, 20135.0 out of 5 stars Ce n'est pas de la science-fiction !
On peut entrevoir l'avenir en examinant comment les sociétés du passé se sont complexifiées au point d'arriver à des situations ingérables à leur échelle. La nôtre est beaucoup plus exigeante en énergie, elle est dopée par les énergies fossiles...pour quelques décennies encore. A suivre sur "Les limites de la croissance dans un mon de fini"...



