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New review by Mitchel Bard "The Israel Lobby Fantasy"


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Initial post: Dec 21, 2008, 6:03:37 AM PST
L. King says:
Mitchel Bard does an incredibly thorough job of pointing out the multitude of flaws in M&W's book.

Some of the key points...

1. The book is bad history.
2. There is a volume of footnotes yet the sources are shoddy, cherry picked and biased.
3. M&W fail to make a case that "the Lobby" skews US policy in such a way as to be a detriment to US interests. The U.S. relationship with Israel paradoxically may serve to increase Arab interests in maintaining a good relationship with the U.S.
4. M&W give no compelling reasons for changing U.S. policy

However don't just take my word for it Here is the link:

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idarticle=17161

Posted on Apr 3, 2009, 6:28:19 AM PDT
nurk says:
The book is quite accurate in it's historical accounts, and the sources? Many come directly from Jewish leaders, US former politicians, and the official US govt accounts. As to number three and four, the case is made with the support of overwhelming evidence. The article and the book were nearly kept from being published, in large part due to the pressure from Israeli apologists.

Posted on Jul 6, 2009, 10:16:39 PM PDT
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L. King says:
Here are a couple of historical inaccuracies from the book.

Fiction: U.S. support for Israel drove Egypt into the Soviet orbit in the 1960s.
Fact: French and British terms over the Aswan Dam leading to Nasser's nationalization of the canal was the cause. U.S. support for Israel was minimal until after the six day war.

Fiction: "The Lobby" advocated and pressured the United States to invade Iraq
Fact: The perception of WMDs was the overriding factor. Recent reports from Saddam Hussein's interrogation reveal that he had intentionally engineered the appearance of WMDs in order to misinform and ward off Iran. The decision to go to war was based on poor or misled intelligence - take your pick. Other than a very small group of Bush's neocon advisors most of those designated elsewhere in the book as members of "The Lobby" were neutral. M&W present ZERO evidence of lobbying effort from AIPAC members for the war. The major decision makers: Bush , Rumsfeld and Cheney are hardly members of AIPAC. They all have been involved in the oil business - why does this fact escape M&W's notice.

Fiction: David Ben- Gurion opposed partition in 1937. M&W use a partial quote
Fact: Ben-Gurion argued for partition as a way of preventing a violent conflict. (Source: Shabtai Teveth, The Burning Ground, 1886-1948, pp 588.) His personal credo was that "Jews had not come to Palestine to dispossess or dominate the Arabs". It was in 1937 that he adopted, not rejected partition, and had many days drawing up his own two state plan for presentation as a proposal to Mapai's political committee on Feb 5th. M&W spend a paragraph claiming that "it was just a tactic" but provide zero. (pp93.) Teveth and Morris show that partition was debated seriously by the Zionist leadership and there was a wide range of discussions and opinion about it, however the conclusion - and this is what counts, not some fantasy concocted whole cloth, was to accept it in a vote of 299 to 166. As Ben Gurion wrote to his son: We neither desire nor need to expel the Arabs and settle in their place. All our aspiration is built on the assumption, proven through our enterprise, that there is enough room for ourselves and the Arabs in Palestine."

As for the sources, here is what Benny Morris says about M&W's book:

"Like many pro-Arab propagandists at work today, Mearsheimer and Walt often cite my own books, sometimes quoting directly from them, in apparent corroboration of their arguments. Yet their work is a travesty of the history that I have studied and written for the past two decades. Their work is riddled with shoddiness and defiled by mendacity. "

If you are going to quote someone - get it right.

Posted on Oct 25, 2010, 9:35:04 AM PDT
L. King says:
Bard now has a new book out: The Arab Lobby: The Invisible Alliance That Undermines America's Interests in the Middle East

The reason the US is in the ME is to defend the Arabs from each other and to defend Western commercial assets such as access to oil and protection of shipping lanes. You'd think with all the military hardware the US has sold ibn Saud over the years they could have protected Kuwait from the Iraqis? And why aren't the Saudis policing the Gulf and taking out Somali pirates? In all likelyhood it's the Saudis who are selling them the small arms in the first place.
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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by Stephen M. Walt (Hardcover - August 27, 2007)
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