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4.0 out of 5 stars Phone OK - but locked to Verizon, July 16, 2011
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This review is from: LG Fathom VS750 Verizon phone Unlocked GSM Worldphone with 3.2-Inch Touchscreen, Slideout QWERTY, 3.2MP Camera - Unlocked Phone - US Warranty - Black (Wireless Phone Accessory)
Phone is OK, running Windows Mobile CE 6.5, have a lot of features, responsive touchscreen, keyboard is good and slide firmly. Screen is bright with a good size (3.2 inch). It has Windows Mobile Office, so you can read/write the standard MS office files.
Major drawback to me is that the phone is locked for Verizon. It means you need to activate it with them.
When you power-uo this phone it'll try first to login on the Verizon's CDMA network and maybe if you travel to another country it will activate in GSM as Vodafone subscriber (there is a Vodafone chip).
But if you plan to use for GMS carriers you should ignore this activation.
According to Meir Herz to set the phone to GSM and get rid of CDMA network. Here's how to change it to GSM:
- Put your GSM chip, power it on, ignore the Verizon activation.
- Tap start button > Settings > Personal > Phone > swipe your finger to the left or right until you get to the
Network page.
- Tap the mode of operation field, select GSM/UMTS.
- Tap OK.
Your phone will now work on the GSM network. So it is unlocked !
I followed this and it worked. Same for non-US GSM carriers.
Other minor points: the screen easily gets the fingerprints marks, so maybe plan to buy some screen proctectors; device is a bit heavier but not too much.
That's all for now, if I got any important info I'll update the review.
Enjoy !
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Initial post: Jul 25, 2011 6:10:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2011 7:43:22 PM PDT
RE: Major drawback to me is that the phone is locked for Verizon. It means you need to activate it with them.

The title of your post is somewhat misleading.

CDMA radio part of the phone ignored for the moment- These phones are QUAD BAND GSM World Phones.... they should work with *most all if not all GSM carriers.
*As long as GSM frequencies used match, phone should work.

As long as the phone arrives in a "unlocked" condition these phones do not have to be activated with Verizon, if you are using the GSM part of the phone with another carrier. As you mentioned first time you boot the phone it will (or course) want to register itself with the Verizon network, it is a simple matter to configure the phone for GSM use only.

From listings on ~bay...
"THIS PHONE IS UNLOCKED AND WILL WORK WITH ANY GSM SIM CARD AS WELL AS VERIZON.
This phone will require a data plan for use on Verizon.

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Unlocked? What does that mean?

For the benefit of those that may not know what "unlocked" means= When carriers offer a phone at a fraction of the retail price of the phone (EG: 1-cent, $29, $49, etc), the phone is SUBSIDY locked to that carrier. What this means is a locked phone will ONLY accept the SIM CHIP from that carrier.
(EG Verizon in this case) Once unlocked it will accept SIM's from any carrier.

The above applies the GSM part of the phone. I do not know if the CDMA part of the phone is "unlocked" for use with other carriers, or what other carriers use CDMA beyond Verizon and Sprint in the USA. As unlocking usually pertains to GSM SIM SLOT accepting a sim from another carrier than phone was originally sold (and locked to) - I'd bet the CDMA part of the phone is locked to Verizon.

List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers

AT&T (USA)= GSM
T-Mobile - worldwide=GSM
Vodophone=GSM
etc,etc

Posted on Jul 26, 2011 4:55:05 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 27, 2011 12:02:58 AM PDT
S. Johal says:
I could not get the GPS working in GSM mode. The setting to turn GPS on is under CDMA mode only (Settings->Personal->Phone->CDMA Services). This is a BIG bummer for anyone using this unlocked phone with GSM option.

Has anyone got GPS working in GSM mode? Thanks

[UPDATE] Changing the port to 1 made the GPS working.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 26, 2011 5:41:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 26, 2011 6:04:04 PM PDT
RE: I could not get the GPS working in GSM mode.

Q: What carrier are you on?
Q: What GPS app are you using? VZ Navigator?....it is linked to Vz's *"pay-service"...
Q: What GPS apps have you tried?

RE: Has anyone got GPS working in GSM mode? Thanks

I don't have my units yet but from what I've read:

A: The GPS part of the phone is built-in (hardware wise)
B: Phone is marketed as a World Phone, EG: There is no need to buy another phone when traveling outside the Verizon coverage area.

Ergo: The phone should be configurable (with I'm assuming 2nd party software) so the GPS works.

C: Map use via the GPS on the phone as shipped (Vz Navigator) from my research:
Vz Navigator is:
Available per day, or by the month.
$?? per day?
$10 per month while in home market! (USA)
$20 per month while in Europe!!! (What a rip-off!!!!)

On Verizon site I think I read:
To use the Vz Nav app.. You have to download European version of Vz Navigator... (duh.)... and then upon arriving back in home market (US) you have to reconfigure /deactivate European Vz Nav, re-install US version.

Regardless: Verizon does (somewhere on there site) have pricing information for using VZ Navigator app while in Europe... so phone has to be getting positioning from GSM towers (when a GPS signal is not available?), Internal GPS of the unit itself ... So using another GPS app should work.

(I think I read somewhere it's possible via QuickGPS, Googlemaps)

PS: Please remember to post BACK fixes... name software, note ver numbers

Places with info on the VS750:
Xda developers forum
PPCGeeks' forum
HowardForums

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* Regarding VZ Navigator GPS pay per day /month app:
? per day.
$10 per month USA
$20 out of Verizon service area * (Europe, etc)
I ran across some posts from people on say At&T saying VZ Navigator was "working" for them?????. Posts within that thread said the CORE app itself was bundled via various carriers (Them of course calling it something else) and that if used you could expect: Some type of bill to arrive, EG: So much per day- So much per month, and that data charges would occur.

*$20 out of area fee (EG: Europe, etc) I read on Vz site I think that once you get back in coverage area- you have to delete /deactivate, redownload US maps/data manually?... If you don't the $20 fee still occurs?

(Not that I care)

My main interest is getting GPS to work with GSM, via T-Mobile USA.

.

Posted on Jul 26, 2011 6:10:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 26, 2011 6:13:27 PM PDT
GPS app info:

http://community.vzw.com/t5/PDA-Smartphone-Devices/VZ-Navigator-5-1-0-89-on-LG-Fathom-Windows-Mobile-6-5/td-p/478918

VZ Navigator 5.1.0.89 on LG Fathom/Windows Mobile 6.5
Options

03-20-2011 12:43 PM

I don't remember much about the previous version that I had on my old phone, except that it was a lot friendlier and easier to use. This version has the following annoying features, which nearly renders it useless:

* It is slooowww to start up.
* I have to be careful using the touch screen as VZ Navigator has done a poor job of implementing tapping and scrolling.
* Searching results in dozens of irrelevant places, even when enclosing search terms in quotation marks. For example, searching on "St. John's Episcopal Church" results in place names containing "John", "Johnson", "Johnston", etc.
* If I don't type a search term exactly the way it appears in VZ Navigator's data base, I'm outta luck. For example, "St." versus "Saint".
* I have to backspace or exit the search function entirely to clear the Find text box.
* If I select an item and select Map, VZ Navigator displays a regional view showing all the results. I have to zoom in to view the result I need.
* The font size on the maps is so tiny, the maps are pretty much useless. There doesn't seem to be any way to increase it.
* I can delete my recent searches from either my phone or the VZ Navigator Web page, but I can't delete the list of previous search terms that appears when I tap in the Find text box. Not even uninstalling and reinstalling works. If I could figure out what file(s) to delete, I would!

Apparently this is the only navigation app available for this phone from Verizon, but it is just about useless. Any suggestions, anyone?

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Re: VZ Navigator 5.1.0.89 on LG Fathom/Windows Mobile 6.5
Options
03-20-2011 01:49 PM

Yea! Go get the Google earth Mobile 6.5 version works well and just like the full version on computer! It does take some doing to set up and unlock the phones GPS! I actual had to use GPS Location Version 1 by highway to get it to start up and configure the phone after that it has worked very well! Hint your phone needs to be GPS locator activated! Google earth even locates you within the cell towers first then once it acquires the satts it switches over! It is a little slow when downloading new maps from broadband but I think that is more Verizon than the Google map application! Best of all the .kml files from the computer version work! So you are able to personalize your maps!

Hope this helps!

Mike

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2011 12:04:00 AM PDT
S. Johal says:
Thanks for the effort!

Changing the port to 1 made GPS working.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 29, 2011 9:16:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 30, 2011 1:41:40 AM PDT
RE:

Thanks for the effort!
Has anyone got GPS working in GSM mode?
[UPDATE- 2011-08-30] As I posted elsewhere... In network settings- change phone to CDMA mode= select the GPS option- Set location ON.... (Reboot phone) Then change phone back to GSM -
(As with a PC reboot phone between changes)

Note: On a new phone...Best to use app that downloads satellite data to phone, this will make first GPS lock a lot faster. Think the app is named QuickGPS Lite IIRC.

Q: Which app(s) are working via the units internal built-in GPS chip?

[UPDATE- 2011-08-30] Once location turned on in CDMA settings tab- and running QuickGPS lite (1) time to acquire latest satellite info.

First lock was around 2 minutes.

Bing works
Google Maps
Open Mobile maps (Great app- has offline mode) -but alas downloads thousands upon thousands of tiles, instead of (1) file per state.

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PS: Thanks for saying "Thanks"!
PS#2 If you find any info- tips on (*Cooking) modifying the stock rom. (removing, adding in needed apps to the rom itself to increase performance, stability, add functions) Please post!!!

A year + after it's release the VS750 it without custom roms. :-(

"Cooking" the rom is the process of stripping out apps, branding that are added in by the carrier to increase their bottom line. EG: They add in their as a example VZ_Navigator @

3-4 dollars? per day.
$10 per month USA
$20 out of Verizon service area * (Europe, etc)

*"Cooking a rom refers to the process like building a cake in which ingredients are added- then the cake is "cooked".

[UPDATE- 2011-08-30] There is some progress being made on cooked (custom) roms... that have all the Verizon bloatware stripped out.
.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2011 3:32:12 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 2, 2011 9:57:01 PM PDT
Mary Raine says:
OH boy. I guess I'll just pay up for a new phone at the cell store because y'all makin' me dizzy. I just thought unlocked meant I could stick my AT&T sim card in the phone. I also see a comment that says the phone is locked to Verizon.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 1, 2011 10:00:48 AM PDT
S. Johal says:
Q: Which app(s) are working via the units internal built-in GPS chip?

On my phone, the only application that needs a GPS is Google maps and it is working like a charm for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 2, 2011 8:35:44 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 30, 2011 1:44:05 AM PDT
RE:
Mary Raine Aug 1, 2011 3:32:12 AM PDT posted:

"OH boy. I guess I'll just pay up for a new phone at the cell store because y'all makin' me dizzy. I just thought unlocked meant I could stick my AT."

You think you're dizzy...

You can stick your AT&T sim and it would work:
A: If carrier didn't require a data plan on "Smartphones", customer data going thru WiFi hotspots vs AT&T network.
B: If you already have data on *your plan, assuming AT&T does not get pissy about non-supported hardware. (Hardware from another carrier)
*Contact AT&T to confirm, Better yet write them via a certified letter telling them it's BS to require a data plan if you pay full retail for the device/bring your own device.

T-Mobile USA policy is:

A: Data plan ,2yr contract required IF phone is obtained thru them @ discounted price off retail. (EG: $199 vs full retail @ $499)

B: No data plan is required IF you bring your own hardware, in this scenario "data" going thru Wif-Fi hotspots instead of thru T-Mo's network.

Regarding "C", data going thru Wi-fi.... If you read the FINE PRINT on "UNLIMITED DATA PLANS" Carriers are throttling back from true "unlimited" data -stating network loading is too high as a reason to increase rates... If that is the case... If I was running AT&T I'd be trying everything I could do to get people to connect via Wifi.... as that would reduce loading on the network...

Now back on topic... Info pertaining to the LG Fathom VS750...

.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 2, 2011 9:58:07 PM PDT
Mary Raine says:
Thank you We Are Not Alone. I think AT&T may require the data plan. Thanks again.
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