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Allow me to convince you that Bang is superior to other seduction books; a contender among the greats.
If you've read some other seduction literature, such as from Lovesystems, Real Social Dynamics, Tony's Lay Guide, Carlos Xuma, Mehow, Paul Janka, or (insert any PUA here), then you've probably noticed that all of these books suffer from one of two flaws: 1. The book focuses on the game plan of how to have sex with her, but leaves out the specifics of how to become such a man to have sex with her. Or, if they do talk about how to become such a man, it usually involves gimmick appeals to money, fame, or fashion in order to "display higher value". (*cough*lovesystems/mystery method/Janka*cough*) 2. The book focuses on how to become the kind of guy who lands lots of women, but does not focus on how one should go about structuring their life and time to form the game plan to bed women. (*cough*realsocialdynamics/xuma*cough*) If you haven't read the aforementioned books, know that Bang avoids these two extremes for ordinary men of modest means. Roosh depicts the kind of journey necessary to develop a happy sex life while also detailing the subtle intricacies of an individual seduction. By painting a complete picture of a chatty man who confidently pursues his targets, Bang has more utility than virtually any other book on scoring girls so one can read, read, and reread while still finding more ways to improve. Although the ideas presented within Bang take from the Mystery Method, Roosh goes beyond the foundational text with a minimalist approach to the lifestyle component of game and presents the barest sufficiencies of turning on a woman and sexing her. Extraneous material, such as fashion, complex routines, advanced textgame, social proof, preselection, etc. are either omitted, mentioned in passing, or given summary in the appendix. The focus is on the essentials of game, while the rest is pared away so the reader can see clearly what is superfluous. Detractors of Bang might claim that this book is only for American culture, or is too focused on night game. But American culture has infested the entire world; meaning Bang will be relevant at least for the next decade in a large variety of countries. Night game has been prominent since the 1920's in all developed countries and has spread across the globe; it doesn't look to change anytime soon. Moreover, the switch from night to day game is not such a huge transition that the principles learned in bars no longer apply: game is game. I suppose that after reading this book one might feel dissatisfied, because it makes sex and women look so bland and simple. It may be painful to realize how little is needed to attract women. Some men might even claim Bang presents falsehoods of things that could never happen for any other man except Roosh, but such men are unable to recognize the beauty of Roosh's playstyle and how easily it may conform to any player's life regardless of their situation or station. There is truth in this tome. It would not be a surprise if fifty years from now, along with Roissy's blog, Bang still has some applicability for men looking to score. There is also the added bonus that Bang is a pleasurable read, unencumbered with nerdy PUA jargon and in the style of how books were written for the last two millennia before the rise and proliferation of the internet's "info ebook". It is organized well enough that the reader can easily find old passages for further edification, all the while laced with Roosh's ironic humor that is his style of game. I could describe the successes I've had following this sleeper gem, but your time would be better spent by paying a meager price and reading a classic.
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Aug 25, 2011 4:16:41 PM PDT
Isaac G. Baum Morgan says:
Sounds like the author paid someone for a planted review. If that is the case, putting down the work of others is hardly a honorable way of advertising a product. If not, then you failed to understand, in the first case, the mystery method; you don't need to have fame or money or dress fashionably, you only need to have your inner game right, but acquiring such things will definitely increase your chances with most women (this is a fact, you don't need the mystery method book to know it unless you are anti-social). In fact, having an interesting life will most likely give you things to talk about and make you feel good about yourself; this is not a "gimmick", it is true that if you stop being a couch potato and start traveling around the world or doing the things you enjoy the most and/or succeeding at something that was challenging for you will make you feel better and give you things to talk about. Mystery gives advice on something that this guy does not tell you, and it is advice on building a life, not just advice on laying chicks; if you follow this book, your success rate may increase, but it will not take you to the same heights that the mystery method will take you (assuming you follow everything the mystery method is about, which is about building yourself as a person, not just using tactics on the field). Same thing for carlos Xuma... whoever wrote this did not understand or even read Carlos Xuma's work. I have been reading and listening to Xuma's alpha man program, and he DOES tell you "how one should go about structuring their life and time to form the game plan to bed women", he gives you exercises, in detail, that you need to do in order to become an "alpha man"; if you do not do such exercises, then the tactics you employ will be week. You need your self-esteem to be at a good level to be able to lay the girls you want, not just to increase the amount of girls in your life. You need your inner game to be OK in order to have the best skills and give the field tactics the best delivery, otherwise women will feel it. You need to believe in yourself, and grow as a person, not just follow scripted routines. If you just follow scripted routines, you might have more success than before, but you will not have the level of success you want. The question is, are you a comformist or are you a perfectionist? Do you want simply "better", or do you want "the best"?
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Samseau says:
I'm amazed that I got my own hater comment. I've never met Roosh, nor was I paid to write this (although I kind of wish I was). I'm flattered you think so highly of my prose, though. Some advice for you: use paragraphs.
Additionally, your reading comprehension is lacking, or you've never read Bang. 1. I wrote about Xuma, "does not focus on how one should go about structuring their life and time to form the game plan to bed women". Your failure to understand the words "game plan" is telling. Xuma never explains any game plan in detail. He gives overlays, but not specifics. He avoids conversational strategies and closing techniques. Compared to Bang, Xuma's understanding of a game plan is primitive. He tells you things you could learn on Yahoo dating. Xuma's universal opener: "Hi! I'm meeting new people today. What's your name?" You think that's a game plan? Xuma's emphasis is, like you said, on developing the mindset to be the man who can attract women. But there's no game plan. Xuma has no structure to his seductions, and this is reflected in his books: he meanders from topic to topic, covering them in depth, but never linking the topics together into a cohesive whole. 2. The Mystery Method relies on having an attractive life so you can "display higher value" non-stop. Notice when you get to the comfort part of the Mystery Method how lacking in detail it is? Notice how Mystery says "This is where the game is played", and yet by this point, routines are basically useless? Mystery doesn't explain what it is that attracts men to women during this stage, he just mentions it as the hardest part and throws in a few helpful routines like "The Cube" (which is also mentioned in Bang). Mystery mentions lots of techiques, like isolation, and bouncing to another location, to help build comfort, but he leaves the majority of it up to the player, citing this as the part where men need to get to know the girl and work off situational info in order to succeed. If you have in fact read Bang, which I doubt, then you'd know about the part Roosh titles as "Vibing", which Roosh says is the most important aspect to seducing a girl. "The Vibe" is what keeps a girl attracted to you, and "The Vibe" is Roosh's answer to Mystery's "comfort" stage of seduction. Roosh specifically mentions a time in his life where he went through a massive dry spell in spite of being more successful than he had ever been, with tons of "interesting" achievements to display his high value, but he realized he was using these achievements as a crutch when in fact what he really needed was to restore his vibe. When a man has his vibe down, he will automatically sail through the "comfort" stage, because it is at this point of the seduction where the woman becomes attracted to the man and not his "gimmicks", like money, fame, fashion, magic tricks, etc. etc. So in this instance, Roosh is talking about something Mystery doesn't, which is how to be an attractive man all the time as just a normal guy on the street. Of course, Xuma talks a lot about being the kind of guy with an attractive aura, and he has a lot of useful things to say about this, but I did not criticize Xuma on these grounds. Ergo, your criticisms are baseless and will confuse the uninformed of the truth, which I maintain to anyone who is new or old to the seduction world: Bang covers all bases, and does it better than almost everyone else. No other seduction work has that distinction.
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Bengalltigerr says:
It wasn't paid, but it was requested by Roosh, and we know it.
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Joshua says:
"I could describe the successes I've had following this sleeper gem"
you're so full of it. this review looks like something I would read on the back of the book or beginning pages. this book didn't help you and you're a liar.
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J. Carpenter says:
Let's assume he's not a liar and he merely got the book and buys into this guy's methods. That just makes him morally bankrupt. I've been checking the PUA "community" for an article I've been assigned to write for a very popular men's magazine. Roosh may be the most repugnant of the bunch. I started with "The Game"; followed that with "The Art of Seduction" and eventually descended into the murky world of this guy. I checked out his blog and was astonished at the depth of his hatred for American women, depraived hedonism, chauvinism, contempt for parents, and essential nihilistic philosophy, which places seduction at the center of his universe and the primary reason he gets up in the morning. One thing he wrote sums the guy up: essentially he said women have evolved to give men sexual pleasure and if they can't deliver, they should commit suicide.
This guy needs serious help and it's mindboggling people who follow this miscreant's advice merely brush aside his pernicious ideas about sexuality.
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