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5.0 out of 5 stars Important to know about this point of view, April 15, 2008
This review is from: Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Paperback)
Amidst the flood of neo-conservative diatribe, I found this book a refreshing attempt to present an oppressed viewpoint that has no place in the mainstream American media (in print or on screen). No matter how you turn it, there is merit that the Bush Administration would win hands down the title of being the most pro-Israel in US history. Whether by continuously pretending to championing a Palestinian state, paying lip-service to continued Israeli violations of international law since 1947, not doing something about the construction of an apartheid wall that eats up what remained of Palestinian territory, not lifting a hand about continued Israeli settlement of an increasingly shrinking Palestinian promised state, etc. One could be pro-Israel or anti-Israel, but one can only be blind to ignore the basic fact which has to do with the 60-year occupation of Palestinian land by Israel and the on-going attempts to take possession of the land. An occupation that does not differ at all from colonial settler occupations elsewhere in the world.
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Initial post: Apr 18, 2008 12:21:29 AM PDT
A. Field says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2008 6:15:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2008 6:20:17 AM PDT
Samir Kassir says:
I did read the book. Please note that people in the Middle East know better that the Iraq invasion is a side show to the Palestine/Israel conflict. The US better leave the Israelis and the Palestinians achieve peace rather than imposing global schemes on the region. You obviously don't like this book, and for ideological reasons it seems. Thank you for your comment.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2008 2:11:29 PM PDT
A. Field says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 25, 2008 3:51:42 AM PDT
Samir Kassir says:
Thank you for calling me an idiot. I bet a majority of Israelis do not agree with your very extreme views. Your extremely biased views about the Palestinians lacks tacfulness and respect for the agony of six million people who are deprived of their homeland for sixty years. Listen to yourself: "They will never renounce violence, etc." How more racist one can be than to accuse an entire people as being prisoners of anthropology. It is sad that you are falling to the same error towards the Palestinians that racists usually (and of course wronglly) accuse the Jews of. Sir, educate yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2008 11:01:54 AM PDT
A. Field says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2008 3:27:51 AM PDT
Samir Kassir says:
Mr. Field, you do not realise (in your realism) that you never give ground in your argument to the other point of view. That Israel is an occupier and a usurper of Palestinian land, that you have probably met with Palestinians but not with enough to formulate an opinion as you also need to read and follow their politics, that the Palestinian leadership since 1993 has been begging for peace but Israel is not yielding, that after more than 15 years of talks Israel has increased settlement activities on Palestinian lands tenfold, that (and this is something you don't mention in your arguments) a majority of Israelies hold more moderate views than your own and do not agree that there is no Palestinian who accepts peace and accepts Israel. Again, educate yourself and read for example Edward Said and Amira Haas.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2008 7:23:30 AM PDT
A. Field says:
If the Palestinians want peace so much; please explain why a) Arafat rejected Barak's peace offer at Camp David in 2000; b) within a few weeks of Israel withdrawing from Gaza in July 2005 did rockets start being fired from Gaza into Israel; and c) why did Gazans vote for Hamas given Hamas' mantra is Israel's destruction? I have met more Israelis and Palestinians (not to mention Arabs) than you will ever meet, so please don't lecture me on the respective views of the two groups.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2008 12:21:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2008 12:27:02 PM PDT
Samir Kassir says:
Dear Sir, your views are simplistic simply because they are based on hearsay, gossip, and talking to people. You need to read current scholarly works on the Palestine-Israel conflict, not excluding sensible works by Israeli writers. Poor Arafat ended up in a room in a building destroyed by the Israelis in Ramallah, and surrounded by tanks led by Sharon. You need to really look at what was offered at camp David in 2000: Only a morsel of what the Palestinians should have based on the 1947 UN partition plan. barak offered a Buntesland to the Palestinians with no geographical continuity and a lot of conditions and constraints that would make the entity a laughable state. As for Gaza, this is the worst place on Earth for decent living and Sharon abandoned it because it is more of a problem with its 1.5 million people than a land-grab. If you know so many Palestinians, maybe you can ask them to help you go live for a few days among them in the hell of Gaza and tell me then how you feel as a Palestinian living there: daily Israeli attacks and massacres, complete blockade of the strip by Israeli forces, raw sewers in the streets, 70% unemployment, extreme poverty, ill children, almost no schooling for a million kids. I am curious why all your arguments are anti-Palestinian. You don't have any criticism of Israel, that the central issue is all about Israeli occupation of Palestinian land, pure and simple. And when the Palestinians want to talk and resolve it, the Israeli governments enters endless negotiations that run for decades without offering anything sensible. Again, you can find millions of Israelis who are peace-minded and who would see the cancer of occupation committed by their state. But obviously you seem not to see it. Figure why.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2008 12:00:48 PM PDT
A. Field says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2008 5:22:24 PM PDT
Samir Kassir says:
Mr. Field, how easy for you to pick and choose what you want from my strong refutations and then decide "End of debate". SO much for your democracy and willingness to hear a different point of view. It is opinions like yours that make the greatest disservice to Israel. Instead of encouraging dialogue and peace, here you deny even the basic elements of humanity: the need to address the agonies and suffering of 6 million Palestinians, whom you continue to triviliaze and accuse of being terrorist and fanatic. To your end of debate, I always welcome the debate which I consider you have lost because you gave up when you ran out of pithy points... points that are mere ranting against human beings.
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