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5.0 out of 5 stars It did what was necessary to my head, October 19, 2004
This review is from: The Second Sex (Paperback)
I, a young white man, read Second Sex last week. Although it contained almost nothing that I had not read before, it did what was necessary to my head. It somehow made the position of woman as the Other imaginable by me. Reading it, I imagined what it would be like for me to live in a society that had been dominated by women for more than three thousand years, a society where almost all the most renowned people, heroes, and religious icons were women. A society where the United States of America had had nothing but women presidents and every state was predominantly represented by women, though males account for half the population. Where the predominant forms of music for the last fifty years have all treated men as an interesting and occasionally useful, but often annoying or even maddening objects, and us men run around in skimpy calvin klein-style underwear on MTV while hip-hop women constantly call us "dogs" in their raps and the classic rock section of the local used music store overflows with female lyrics that question what is more important in life, men, cars, or booze? and blame us men for breaking their poor girl hearts and for being warlocks, (...), or idiots (while the woman rock stars collect millions of dollars and boy groupies run around ready to have sex with any security guard to get a shot to have sex with the famous women).

A society where families are dominated by mothers and their husbands live in fear of having their allowance terminated, and have to do menial chores around the house to try to feel, or at least look, useful. Where a boy child realizes before he is 10 that he is a failure and, at best, a second-rate human being (if not an object)(...) A society that is obsessed by the symbol of the womb--in which musical instruments, spaceships, means of transportation, weapons, religious ornaments, political regalia, and thousands of other things are designed to resemble the shape of a womb. A society in which men are scared, brutally scared, of walking around alone at night because almost any woman can physically overpower them and rape them with a sex toy. In which the most famous and influential philosophers of all time, the ones that get taught in university classes and whose books are actually bought and read and that influence the intelligensia, are all women, mostly women who loathe and/or misunderstand men and write things such as "What is the cure for all of a man's problems? Impregnating a woman" but despite such stupidities are adored by female thinkers.

And so on...

So that's why I rated this 5 stars. It did something to me, which is the most important quality in a book for someone who's read thousands.
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Initial post: Jan 25, 2007, 11:29:43 PM PST
Amzn byer says:
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Posted on Apr 27, 2007, 12:55:18 AM PDT
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P. Weston says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2007, 5:40:12 AM PDT
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lovestoread says:
that is a very interesting analysis.

I won't waste time disputing your views even though I disagree with your take on just about everything.

instead I will just say, let's bring back the opponents of feminism whose views are more similar to yours...that would be the Nazis in particular...

I'm actually serious, not saying this to make a point. Hitler said most of what you said, with the exception of Islam in Europe which was not on his radar screen, and he said it better.

woman belongs in the home, reproducing, concerning herself with domestic tasks. not wasting time on intellectual pursuits.

Hitler's hatred of Jews was in part motivated by his hatred of feminist progressive values which he linked to Jews.

he also was greatly influenced by the atrocities he endured and saw Germany enduring in the first World War. I'm not talking about who was "right," but rather, the horror of trench warfare.

it seems to me that Europe is a place characterized by a great deal of instability depending upon the whims of various leaders, theorists, Popes and kings, and tyrants, and the adoption of their ideas by the public(s) at large.

blaming this on feminism is extremely interesting. are both world wars due to feminism? what about the conflict between the Enlightment and the Romantics? the French revolution? the religious wars that tore through Europe and set Catholics and Protestants against each other for centuries?

the disputes over the monarchy; the arguments between Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm.

my point is, disagreements over religion, power, and the role of authority have characterized Europe since...the fall of Rome if not before....and these disagreements tend to get settled violently. the very real dilemma of what to do about Islam in Europe has far more in common with this legacy than feminism, in my opinion.

I suppose that somehow, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the Black Death are to be laid at feminism's door as well.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2007, 7:58:19 PM PDT
Perhaps I missed the logical underpinnings along the way, but when did it become gospel that a decline in procreation equals complete destruction of western/liberal systems? Modern economies use less people, and can import bodies from high reproductivity areas, should it come down to it. For what it's worth, warfare doesn't require many bodies on the ground anymore either. So how, again, does this road lead to doom?

Posted on May 17, 2007, 11:51:57 AM PDT
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Posted on Jul 7, 2007, 1:29:47 PM PDT
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Anton, what has been "done" to your head is called the awakening from brainwashing. Knowledge is liberating, isn't it? Some of the commenters here ("women belong in the household") I'd like to say the're just particularly retarded pornocrats, but they're actually functional humans who are completely brainwashed.

I think you are a particularly enlightened person, and the existence of males like you gives me hope that women can reach social and political equality some day.

Brandy - I agree, Anton's review is very insightful!

Posted on Aug 2, 2007, 12:19:49 PM PDT
Brandy says:
I don't think many people understood Anton's comment. It was actually very insghtful and right on. He did a really great job of casting aside his own male point of view. That's a really difficult thing to do.

Posted on Nov 9, 2007, 3:08:53 PM PST
That was really beautiful, beautiful enough for me to make everyone I know read what you wrote. Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 7, 2007, 4:56:01 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2007, 2:03:12 PM PST
L. Cerda says:
No. That's not feminism. That's a gross distortion of feminism, spouted by those who reject or misunderstand the underlying belief of feminism: namely that all people regardless of sex and gender have equal, inherent and innate rights to self autonomy and self-determination. Easier said than done, especially with the current trend of the co-opting of feminism (i.e., slut chic in the form of clothing to "Girls gone Wild" ideology, plastic surgery as a feminist tool, etc.) by whomever all in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and/or the further marginalization of women.
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