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Not Even Snowflake Can Ruin This Movie,
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I loved this movie. That's a hard statement for a black man to make about any movie in which Snowflake has a role. Regrettably, Hollywood had few roles for blacks in the 30s and 40s and the roles it had were generally comic relief and blacks played characters typically happy, subservient and dumb. Snowflake is Fred McMurray's butler and made a few early scenes in the movie very dated. ("He's not too bright, but he makes a great sandwich"). Nevertheless, the movie has a great script and gradually builds where the viewer roots for the improbable pairing to work out. I'm surprised that I've never seen this movie on cable around Christmas because it is truly a Holiday classic.
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Initial post: Nov 6, 2008, 2:52:59 AM PST
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 6, 2008, 5:23:17 PM PST
Classic Trek Fan says:
Yes just look how far. We'll soon have our first Gun hating, baby killing, muslim in the white house. I personally don't care what color a person is. What I do care about is what kind of person they are. With his type, we have hit rock bottom! I know this will be removed by Amazon, but at least I got it off my chest.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2009, 8:28:01 AM PST
I'm surprised a Trek fan would post bs like that... I found your comment not helpful.
Posted on Nov 17, 2013, 6:30:23 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 17, 2013, 6:45:24 PM PST
What a good review! I mostly agree with your observations. I think "Remember The Night " might well be a holiday perennial--if it weren't for the painfully racist stereotyping of Snowflake's character that you mention. Happily, that's pretty eye-brow raising stuff for even most white viewers today, and I'm guessing just unacceptable for most black viewers.
But the movie largely won me over, too--until that ridiculously virtuous post-code ending, which I think wrecks the movie. I enjoyed "Remember the Night," but the ending and the writing and directing of Snowflake's character finally sink it for me.
Posted on Dec 30, 2013, 6:53:47 AM PST
Fred "Snowflake" Toones (January 5, 1906 - February 13, 1962) was an African-American film actor comedian of the early sound era.
Because of the sheer number of movies he appeared in, Toones is one of the most prolific character faces in B-Westerns and cliffhangers. He appeared in over 200 films between 1928 and 1951; and between 1936 and 1947, Toones worked under contract for Republic Pictures, appearing in about 40 of its films.
His standard characterization was that of a middle-aged "colored" man with a high-pitched voice and childlike demeanor. Like `Curly' Howard and Tommy `Tiny' Lister, who followed the tradition of using an antonymous nickname as both their professional name and character name, "Snowflake" was the distinct stage name Toones was best known by, and he used this name as his credit as early as his third film, 1931's Shanghaied Love. Likewise, in Shanghaied Love and over 35 other films, "Snowflake" was also Toones' character name.
Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry (May 30, 1902 - November 19, 1985), better known by the stage name Stepin Fetchit, was an American comedian and film actor.
Perry parlayed the Fetchit persona into a successful film career, eventually becoming a millionaire, the first black actor in history to do so. He was the first black actor to receive featured screen credit in a film.
Perry's typical film persona and stage name have long been controversial, and seen as illustrative of negative stereotypes of African-Americans. Seen through a modern lens, Perry's "laziest man in the world" character can be "painfully racist" but also "subversive".
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2013, 9:15:30 AM PST
Not being political, I was just commenting on Snowflake being unwatchable. Luckily, his scenes are all in the first 15 minutes of the movie.
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2013, 9:17:34 AM PST
I'm not a Star Trek fan, but I think Star Trek is very well done. I rode Trek bikes though
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2013, 9:17:59 AM PST
very interesting stuff.
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2013, 5:12:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 31, 2013, 5:15:39 AM PST
I am very happy that you found it so. The use of several similar actors/characters in the 30's & 40's illustrates the huge contradictions in US society about the status and role of minorities, esp. of blacks. IMO, little has changed since then, as well described in "Our Patchwork Nation" by Dante Chinni & James Gimpel. Many US citizens just haven't gotten it. Equal protection is irrelevant for many.
Thank you for your contribution and I wish you well.
P.S. I am a serious Star Trek TNG & Voyager fan, also.
Imagine Picard and Janeway meeting!
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 3, 2014, 5:28:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 3, 2014, 6:06:35 AM PST
Quite by coincidence, I was re-viewing "Charlie Chan at the Racetrack" a few days ago and observed another "Snowflake"-like character, a "Streamline" Lones, acted by John H. Allen.
Wikipedia has no listing for him.
John Henry Allen, Actor: Charlie Chan at the Race Track.
John Henry Allen is an actor, known for Charlie Chan at the Race Track (1936), Mr. Muggs Rides Again (1945 ...